GM being sued

[Diamondpilot]

You all are forgetting to mention one thing, GM KNEW about the bad
ignition switches 10 or more years ago.
They covered it up.
I hope GM goes out of business for this fiasco.

We agree on little but this is on point. GM knew about it and covered it up. Plain and simple. It may be the end of GM.

Chris

 

[Paystar]

I don't understand...even with the Toyota sticking throttles......if you can't control a vehicle just because the engine shut off, or you have no power steering or brakes, you should turn in your licence and stay home.
I've blown steer tires off big rigs...loaded to 140,000 pounds, in a corner at 65 mph, hood and driver side fuel tank blown off, and I just pulled off to the shoulder and stopped. No episode what so ever.
Some people just shouldn't drive.

If anyone should be sued and out of business it should be Ford for their Powerstrokes.

 

[Markcuda]

Chris, I knew you couldn't stay out of this one.LOLOLOLLO

if you can't control a vehicle just because the engine shut off, or you have no power steering or brakes, you should turn in your licence and stay home.

Spoken like a person that is a expert at everything.

 

[Ken45101]

In the end you the taxpayer will need to pay for this as the gov bails them out yet again. How many lives does big business get?

I drive a Gm truck and find the dealerships unbearable to deal with since the bailout! They are not interested in pleasing the client only the bottom $$

The local dealerships here (rural, southern Ohio/northern Ky) have been friendly and helpful, at least the service departments. I guess that says something about the quality of their management.

 

[texasjohn]

Ok, for the sake of discussion, what is an acceptable failure rate for anything?

For a brief discussion of failure rates, look here. Complex isn't it?

.5 = 50%... the divorce rate in the US

.25 - .1 = is the rate of miscarriages

.005 = chance your house will be struck by lightening, 1 in 200

.0000036 = chance you will be struck by lightening, 1 in 280000 in USA.

.0000034 = 3.4 failures in 1000000 (a million) which is the much touted six sigma rate for a single defective manufacturing part per million opportunities.

GM has linked 54 accidents and 13 deaths to faulty ignitions, according to USA Today.

.0000027= 54 accidents in 20 million vehicles (20,000,000) = .0000027

This means that GM has achieved better than six sigma in its manufacturing process. I'll leave it to the statistical wizards and six sigma guru's of TBN to determine if a key switch is a manufacturing opportunity, or is the entire vehicle a manufacturing opportunity?

SO, AGAIN, WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE FAILURE RATE, IN A REAL WORLD WHERE STUFF HAPPENS??

To have a valid response, you need to include a number.

My vote is that six sigma, .0000034 failures per DPMO, is adequate, in a real and practical world, requiring no change in part or recall.

So, what is your number and how did you achieve it??? Please support how your number is achievable, in a real world, with references, as I have done.

No number and no supporting references = no reason to listen, it's just puffery.

Just for the sake of discussion, and recognizing that people suffering death or accident, of any kind, from any source, have been grievously harmed and that all possible efforts should be made to avoid such future harm.

Any six sigma green/black/master black belts/champions or executive leaders out there who wish to identify themselves and comment?

This is GM'S latest comment on the subject.

 

[kevin37b]

Chris, I knew you couldn't stay out of this one.LOLOLOLLO

Spoken like a person that is a expert at everything.

Love your posts . LLOLLLOOOOLLLOOOLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOPOOLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLOLLL

 

[nahfwt]

Texasjohn, there is no acceptable rate for fatalities in any industry. I challenge you to find anyone in modern industry that has a fatality target greater than zero. You are confusing manufacturing defects with fatality rate. Moreover for that ignition switch to have failed does not require a fatality just simply that the failure can occur.

 

[texasjohn]

Nahfwt... invalid response...what is your acceptable defect rate for a manufactured component?

Your answer of zero is unacceptable, certainly not achievable. Absolutely nothing has a zero defect rate in reality. You need to think it through. Human activity involves risk, occasional fatalities.

No confusion. Fatalities are the unfortunate result, occasionally, of a defect.

And, considering the automobile, records indicate that there has been a total of 3,551,332 motor vehicle deaths in the United States from 1899 to 2012.

Then, consider the military sniper. He has a 100% fatality objective when he pulls the trigger. Challenge met.

When we go to war, there are casualties expected . Example, 8257 casualties in Iraq/Afghanistan for the coalition, 60,000 Iraq casualties. And, the hostile versus non-hostile deaths is amazing. Keeping this to the facts of deaths we incur as a result of our considered actions, let's not discuss why we went into this war.

So, again, what is your acceptable defect rate (not fatality rate) for a manufactured component??

 

[rmk700]

If the teens in this accident were wearing their seatbelts to begin with they would very likely be alive yet the parents sued and GM took responsibility for the negligent driving teens and I wouldn't be surprised if all 13 deaths had some sort of neglegents on the drivers part. Public Investigator - General Motors recall spurs lawsuit over fatal 2006 Wisconsin accident

Sue, sue, sue...... we have become a society where we now take ZERO accountability for our own neglegents, but I strongly disagree. It is my responsibility to keep me and my family alive! NOT the manufactures of any vehicle!!!!

 

[Bota4me]

One things for sure. I owned one gm and will hopefully never own one again