GM in deep with this Ignition Switch Issue

[k0ua]

^^^ Look up ^^^

Well I did find this:

Sadly, as we start breaking down the deaths in this ignition switch recall we are learning the circumstances around these accidents are strikingly similar. Drunken driving by young drivers in small cars is becoming a common denominator on more than a couple of these ignition switch recall accidents.

 

[Eyeshade]

It is interesting that you blame the bean counters for doing a cost benefit analysis on producing cars. All products have a financial analysis performed and compromises are made considering cost versus quality versus safety versus styling. We can argue that but for a 57 cent part lives would be saved". It is noble and easy to become indignant at someone who made the decision not to include the part but a vehicle is made up a thousands of parts (or more). If each on cost 10 cents more we wouldn't buy the product. How many times have you decided to buy one product over another because it is cheaper by $200? I see posts on these forums all the time that show people are very price sensitive. When it comes to safety how many times does a manufacturer install a safety device and we ignore it or defeat it? Does everyone buy a rated bolt or do they use on in their coffee can to save a couple pennies? Anyone override their kill switch? Not putting up the ROPS? Not wearing a seat belt? Removed a guard from a piece of equipment? Did everyone who bought a car buy one with 4 wheel disc brakes (safer than drum), did everyone buy anti-lock brakes? Blind spot indicators? Did you buy the safest rated car? Why not? No, we looked at the cost, quality, function, styling, and decided we would buy some safety features and not others (I guess we all have some bean counter in us). Milton Friedman gave a great talk on this very subject. What we are complaining about isn't 57 cents for a life, it is how much should we spend on a life, $100? 1,000? $1,000,000? We all make these decisions daily but become enraged when someone else engages in the same behavior. Check out Friedman's talk with an emotional college student who is arguing emotion rather than economics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltnBOrCB7I

 

[Bota4me]

To blame this on having too many keys on hour key ring is typical gm bull<**#. I could probably go put 30# 's of keys on my tacomas ignition and i guarantee it wont shut down lol!

 

[Bota4me]

GM isn't going anywhere. We the taxpayers will bail them out again. No big deal. The hearings are a simple formality. Same thing going on with the Bengazi hearings. No big deal.....

your right on that. Like it or not if they owe 50 mil to familys & attorneys we could always pick up the bill for gm no problem! Ty once again gm...

 

[The Fred]

To blame this on having too many keys on hour key ring is typical gm bull<**#. I could probably go put 30# 's of keys on my tacomas ignition and i guarantee it wont shut down lol!

It won't shut off but the frame will rot through leaving you truckless beside the salt mine. Seen it many times.

Fred, Toyota... no better than any engineered POS

 

[Diamondpilot]

To blame this on having too many keys on hour key ring is typical gm bull<**#. I could probably go put 30# 's of keys on my tacomas ignition and i guarantee it wont shut down lol!

I agree but I only keep the necessary keys on mine to protect the dash and my leg. With a bunch of keys it scrapes the crap out of the dash and my leg when in my pants pocket.

Chris

 

[jaotguy]

the discussion is that AFTER the bean counters knew of the SAFETY DEFECT , they opted to pay out claims rather than FIX their problem to prevent more deaths/ accidents. They can count beans and put in cheaper parts ... as long as they don't kill people . Remember, those GM bean counters kill not only GM buyers but innocent bystanders and OTHER drivers also ... both illegal AND immoral.

there should be a full audit/ inquiry each time one of these "safety defects" are covered up and not fixed right away .... find out who made the "final decision" ( or who was ultimately responsible ) and put them in jail for 1 year, then let's see who is willing to allow it to happen. If they can't track down the "responsible person", then the VP of that division must go to jail.

 

[Diamondpilot]

It won't shut off but the frame will rot through leaving you truckless beside the salt mine. Seen it many times.

Fred, Toyota... no better than any engineered POS

Yea, but Toyota stepped up and either fixed or payed a fair price for those vehicles.

Chris

 

[Bota4me]

Yea, but Toyota stepped up and either fixed or payed a fair price for those vehicles. Chris

absolutely DP and for never took the goverment motors bailout! I made out big time on the frame rot issue. Made more $ than i paid for the truck 3 years before i also did a cab off new frame on my buddys gmc 1500. Guess what- gm didnt give him a dime....

 

[Bota4me]

Ford never