GM Truck Warranty

   / GM Truck Warranty #101  
What is going on in Canada that you're hearing about?

"Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has made it clear he supports financial assistance for the industry but not without guarantees that jobs and future product lines will be maintained here, along with promises that those new products be the "cars of the future that people will want to buy."

CANOE -- CNEWS - World: Onus on automakers to show plan

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   / GM Truck Warranty #102  
"Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has made it clear he supports financial assistance for the industry but not without guarantees that jobs and future product lines will be maintained here, along with promises that those new products be the "cars of the future that people will want to buy."

CANOE -- CNEWS - World: Onus on automakers to show plan

And if you want a daily warm thought, have a peek. :)

sunshinegirl.canoe.ca -- Today's SUNshine Girl

I can't say I blame him for not wanting to see a bailout without those sorts of gaurantees. We don't need more outsourcing.:mad:
 
   / GM Truck Warranty #103  
I can't say I blame him for not wanting to see a bailout without those sorts of gaurantees. We don't need more outsourcing.:mad:

Exactly. And since most of the vehicles up here are shipped to the USA, closing all or a major amount of plants up here will have a huge negative affect on our economy.
 
   / GM Truck Warranty #105  
Here's a GM dealer who is one of the few willing to go on record (I'm guessing because of his size) and state one of the real concerns; dealers getting the "rebate" money back from the manufacturer. Crisis on Dealers' Row - Harold Bendell (3) - CNNMoney.com When a dealer sells a car and it has a $6000 rebate on it, that actually creates a negative cash flow for the dealership. The rebate form the customer signs is like a check that the dealer has to cash with the manufacturer. That's one of the reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread the cut-off dates to enter vehicle sales from the dealerships. That is also when the dealer, for lack of better words, applies for his money from the manufacturer for all the rebates he gave to customers that month. Still, if he sells a new truck on the 6th of the month, in general, he doesn't see that rebate money from the manufacturer for about 45 days in good times.

However, the dealer has to pay off the floor plan (loan he has on the new truck) immediately. If he doesn't pay off the floor plan right away, he's considered "out of trust". If a dealer is "out of trust", the floor plan lender has many options. A common option is to take all the titles or, in the case of new vehicles, the Certificates of Origin from the dealer. That way the dealer has to pay off the sold vehicle to get the title or C of O to give the customer. The next step by the floor plan lender is to take all of the vehicle keys, which requires the dealer to send a runner over to the lender's local office with a completed form by a customer who wishes to take that vehicle for a demo drive. (this is usually the last gasp from a dealer before he goes under)

So, as the guy in the above article mentioned, there are problems that really squeeze the auto dealers. The ones who do not have sufficient capital to get through tough times and to infuse into the dealership with money when cash flow is negative will be the ones who close their doors. But, there is also the dealer who has been in business 'forever' who is just tired of the grind and wants to bail before he gets into his retirement money. I've had a couple of friends in that category who have closed their doors in the last couple of months.

The one item that isn't even mentioned in that article is the 'not quite so secret anymore' holdback money the manufacturer pays the dealer. Typically this is about 3% of the cost of the vehicle and is paid to the dealer at later dates and is not calculated as part of the sales profit and salespeople are not paid commissions on this part. This is the part that allows the dealers to stay in business if they sell a high volume of vehicles just at the invoice cost. Now many dealers are concerned about seeing their holdback money. That hasn't hit the media yet because most dealers are still extremely reluctant to talk about that aspect of their business even though it no longer is any real super secret.

Many more dealers will close before times get better and the domestic automakers will be very different in the next five years or so. Even so, there really isn't any talk at all about failing to honor factory warranties. That move would be likely be only after a manufacturer goes under and then goes through all available funds and the selling dealer goes under. Even though the FTC and Magnuson Moss Act do not list the selling dealer as an obligor in honoring warranties, most dealers feel as if they'd have to step up and honor the claims if they want to stay in business selling any sort of vehicles.
 
   / GM Truck Warranty #106  
Here's a GM dealer who is one of the few willing to go on record (I'm guessing because of his size) and state one of the real concerns; dealers getting the "rebate" money back from the manufacturer.

While you are explaining---please help me to understand why they have to invoice these cars at such a high price and then "rebate" all this money back---that is just a false economy on many levels----same thing going on in the tractor business---false price holds up the used market----commissions etc. i know part of the problem is the marketings guys and their desire to have the customer to believe that they are buying a vehicle for 0% interest---there is nothing for nothing----except for all this bail out bull!!! When the deal is financed don't they just short the payoff to GMAC etc and they GMAC get their money (rebates) back from their parent GM etc and isn't all their profit (cash)in that deal tied up in the trade until they move it???? And about that hold back----Dealers have used that as a crutch for long enough---If you cut the invoice another 3% some dealers would just cut their price another 3% due to POOR MANAGEMENT----There's that word again!!! Under Dealer agreements are the Dealers on the Hook for the warranty no matter if GM pays them are not----If GM does not pay do they eat it or charge the customer???? I have seen many warranty claims rejected over the years and the dealer either eats it or tries to work something out with the customer---Many warranties in the Tractor Business are paid thru the parts account---you never get cash to pay the light bill etc. unless you sell some other non warrantied parts----is it the same way in the car business???
 
   / GM Truck Warranty #107  
Wow, you hit me with several good questions. If I answer all these questions and I disappear soon, you'll know a disgruntled dealer who believes in deception picked me off. :eek:

GMAC is a separate division and stands on their own from GM. As you said very correctly, nothing is free. When GMAC or any other finance company offers 0% financing, the manufacturer is obviously subsidizing that deal. Usually there is a pre-arranged minimum interest rate or amount GMAC (or whoever) is willing to accept. Usually it's a percentage because it would be hard to set a specific amount because of the wide range of the dollar amounts financed. So, say GMAC tells GM that they will sell their money for a minimum of, say, 3%. While the customer in fact pays 0% interest on the loan, GM pays GMAC that 3% (or whatever is negotiated). So, obviously, you are paying something in interest but it is buried into the price of the vehicle. If you notice, generally there is an offer of 0% interest or some specified dollar rebate, like $4000 or something. So, if you take the 0% interest in that situation you are basically paying $4000 in interest by giving up that rebate. We have programs in all of our computers that will accurately show the customer which option would be best for them.

As mentioned in the article, that rebate payment to the dealers are MIA right now. Many are concerned that it's only a matter of time before their holdback money becomes problematic to collect. Trust me, many dealers will fall like dominos if that rebate money and holdback money is not paid to them as owed by the manufacturers.

Now on the warranty issue, the dealer is not contractually obligated to pay for the manufacturers warranty costs in their franchise agreement. The good dealers just bite the bullet and do the right thing when they feel their customer is getting screwed. It will hurt really bad, and there is nothing forcing them to do so, but the best dealers likely will make good on the manufacturers warranties if it comes to that. The fact of the matter is that the customer purchased from the dealer, placed their trust in the dealer, and has the option to either buy their future vehicles from that dealer or not. By stepping up and making good when they don't have to they are making a business decision besides a moral decision. They wouldn't be wrong to just say "sorry", but most customers don't want to hear that and, although technically wrong, would take their anger out on the dealer who sold them the vehicle. Some dealers who may want to do the right thing, if if comes to that but may not be able to do so. A medium sized franchised dealership can easily lose 30k to 50k a month in today's economy. It takes deep pockets to ride that out.

Dealers do make money on warranty work, even factory warranty work. However, both the parts and labor rates paid for factory warranty work is less than the customer pay (posted retail rates) rate. But, that gets into another completely different issue; how service techs are paid and how labor is paid. It's generally NOT the actual time it takes to do the repair, but rather what the book time says it takes to do that repair. Other than factory time, dealers basically choose between three different labor rate books; Mitchell, Motors, or Chiltons. Some books pay more for some repairs than others but they are generally a wash in the end. What you don't want is a dealer who doesn't declare what book they use and shop between the books to find which pays the most for any particular repair. A really good tech in service always 'beats the book'. I know some ASE Master techs who frequently turn 80 hours or more in a 40 or 50 hour work week. That's not cheating, that's just a good tech. Dealers kill to get those techs working in their service department. The more hours they turn in a week the more vehicles the dealer can fix in a week and the more they earn in a week. Then you have the service writers...but that's yet another story.

Just remember, like manufacturers, there are really good dealers and there are some bad ones. Profit isn't a dirty word and you want your dealer to be profitable. You want him to be there to serve you in the future. You just don't want him to try to make all his profit on you! ;)

Oh, the parts link. That's also a touchy subject. Factory warranty work does come through on the parts statement in general. The problem is that the fine print in the contracts from some factories say that the dealership agrees to retain the broken or damaged part for 3 years for the factory to review if the dealership is on an auto-approval setup, which most are. Think about it. There's no way a dealer can keep all these broken parts for inspection by factory auditors. If the dealer doesn't have the parts, the factory can, and will, charge the dealer back for that repair made under warranty. A Ford dealer friend of mine got hit for just over $40k in warranty chargebacks a few months ago. There's no challange or negotiation to the chargeback and it's simply taken off the parts statement. That is why quite a few dealers don't use the factory for their service contracts; sometimes called extended warranties. If a dealer uses a non-factory company that is well insured and reputable, the dealer has one less thing to worry about. Once they pay for a claim they have no recourse. Once it's paid, it's paid. Clear, or just confusing? It really is a rather complicated business. There is so many different tax issues and strategies for dealers, taxes on earnings that are subject to chargebacks that leave the dealer with a negative cash flow where he has to apply on the next year's taxes to recoup the overpayment. And, etc., etc., etc.
 
   / GM Truck Warranty #108  
Wow, you hit me with several good questions. If I answer all these questions and I disappear soon, you'll know a disgruntled dealer who believes in deception picked me off. :eek:

GMAC is a separate division and stands on their own from GM. Ye-ah! Di Tech,Com comes to mind no wonder they got in the housing business!!

Do the Jap and Korean Company's play all these same games with their 0% financing, hold back and warranty payments----is that all standard for the industry---If it is, looks like alot of funny money running around----no wonder they say that they can't go bankrupt----all those money floats would stop----25 Billion would not start to fill that hole----who is the broke-st in this deal the MFG or the Dealers holding all those---I will pay you where and when we can rebates and hold backs???? Again the main question IYHO why do we inflate all this and not just invoice a vehicle for the REAL cost-- pay for warranty and FIRE that whole marketing DEPARTMENT!!!!

They tell me Coke and Pepsi pay more for advertising than they do for Corn Syrup and Fuel Cost???? no wonder everyone buys and sales brands instead of quality!!!!

A Dealer already owed millions by a MFG can not possibly cover warranty on their nickel if this thing goes belly up----How much for third party warranty on new units ----used units---compared to MFG warranty cost???
 
   / GM Truck Warranty #109  
Again the main question IYHO why do we inflate all this and not just invoice a vehicle for the REAL cost-- pay for warranty and FIRE that whole marketing DEPARTMENT!!!!

Well, it was sort of tried in a way. One of the pitches we got when we looked at a Saturn franchise was that all their new vehicles had to be sold at a set price. How they get by without being in trouble for price fixing is beyond me. Anyway, the real kicker was when they explained to us that the markup in the "fixed" Saturn price was at least as much as the MSRP of any other domestic vehicle and more than most! It was supposed to be a really relaxed atmosphere with no pressure and only "consultants" to help you choose the right vehicle. The "consultants" aren't paid on the profit either, just a dollar amount for each vehicle they sell.

Since the factory feels that full list is fair you'll always have the negotiating and haggling as long as any dealer is willing to take less than full list. If dealer A takes less than list, dealer B has to do the same or he won't sell any vehicles. That's sort of how the whole thing started. Don't get me wrong, some dealers are crooks. However, there are an awful lot of really good and honest dealers too. The factories have been able to hide behind the scenes and make $8000 to $10,000 on the high priced SUVs while the dealers cut each other's throats and make $500 profit on those new units. Now the factories aren't able to pump out the extremely lucrative units and have to sell the low profit lower priced economy vehicles. We can see what happens when they have to do that while they have that 100,000 pound anchor known as the UAW tied around their neck while trying to tread water.
 

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