GM Truck Warranty

[redneckford]

Well, it was sort of tried in a way. One of the pitches we got when we looked at a Saturn franchise was that all their new vehicles had to be sold at a set price. Since the factory feels that full list is fair you'll always have the negotiating and haggling as long as any dealer is willing to take less than full list. If dealer A takes less than list, dealer B has to do the same or he won't sell any vehicles. That's sort of how the whole thing started. Don't get me wrong, some dealers are crooks. However, there are an awful lot of really good and honest dealers too. The factories have been able to hide behind the scenes and make $8000 to $10,000 on the high priced SUVs while the dealers cut each other's throats and make $500 profit on those new units. Now the factories aren't able to pump out the extremely lucrative units and have to sell the low profit lower priced economy vehicles. We can see what happens when they have to do that while they have that 100,000 pound anchor known as the UAW tied around their neck while trying to tread water.

So exactly what kind of breathing machines are the factories on!!! Full List---Ok everyone that buys a vehicle or tractor at less than full MSRP should not complain about parts and service???

 

[excelagator]

I am for the bailout due to it will have the tickle effect. GM, Ford, Dodge use some of the same part suppliers. So this won't just dealers and the factory going down. **** we saved Harley years ago and that was a drop in the bucket compared to this?

There is some things have to go though.........
I beleive that the big three have to get rid of the unions. There is no need for them this day and age! If you think they are needed than why have the unions refused to give in this economy today? Our Janeville plant is closed and they are paying $70 hr to say home!! Plus couldn't the CEOs at least "jet pooled" going to Washington the first time? I do know one 24 year old in Kansas City that does build the Malibu. They offered $120,000 to buyout his pension, He refused it. This was only 6 years on the job. If the big 3 go down it will be because of the unions, greed and the me me me ideal! Personally people are fricken brats

If it was up to me the unions go, jets go, CEO bonuses gone, no pay for sitting on your a%$. Parts and assembly all done inside US borders for a decent wage. Then they would get their bailout.

BTW, I have heard that Toyota is not selling and stock is at $60+/-. The stock is inflated. That will take a good tumble also. Don't buy Toyota stock Dargo!

Just my .02 cents,
Dan

 

[WilliamBos]

I am for the bailout due to it will have the tickle effect. GM, Ford, Dodge use some of the same part suppliers. So this won't just dealers and the factory going down. **** we saved Harley years ago and that was a drop in the bucket compared to this?

There is some things have to go though.........
I beleive that the big three have to get rid of the unions. There is no need for them this day and age! If you think they are needed than why have the unions refused to give in this economy today? Our Janeville plant is closed and they are paying $70 hr to say home!! Plus couldn't the CEOs at least "jet pooled" going to Washington the first time? I do know one 24 year old in Kansas City that does build the Malibu. They offered $120,000 to buyout his pension, He refused it. This was only 6 years on the job. If the big 3 go down it will be because of the unions, greed and the me me me ideal! Personally people are fricken brats

If it was up to me the unions go, jets go, CEO bonuses gone, no pay for sitting on your a%$. Parts and assembly all done inside US borders for a decent wage. Then they would get their bailout.

BTW, I have heard that Toyota is not selling and stock is at $60+/-. The stock is inflated. That will take a good tumble also. Don't buy Toyota stock Dargo!

Just my .02 cents,
Dan

I am for the bail out too. Heavy concessions need to be made on all parts, and this INCLUDES the union. If the CAW does not wake up and smell the coffee, the pot will be dry.

 

[kenmac]

I just hate to go to a dealership to try to buy a new vehicle. The sales person usually has to bring in 3 more people to talk to you about why they can't take your offer. It is almost aways an all day event. When the 08's came out. I tried to buy a left over 07 dodge mega cab hemi 4x4. It took most of the day to try to make a deal.I ended up driving off the lot with out the truck over $500.00

 

[Diamondpilot]

I go to the lot on a Sunday and do my research when they are not there. Then go back and tell them they have 1 chance to make a deal. No bull **** back and forth. 1 chance only. I have a number in my head and if they meet or beat that number I sign the papers. If not I walk. In and out in 15 minutes. If I buy it I then tell them to prepare the paperwork and I will be back later and I better be in and out in 1/2 hour or I will walk again. I have walked many times but now the guys I buy off of know how I operate. I have had 2 cars/trucks bought over the phone and never set foot in the dealership. They brought them to my house with the paperwork to sign.

Remember you are the one with the $$$$$ so you have the control unless you are dealing with your wife then all bets are off.

By the way I very rarely test drive. Its a waste of my time. I know what I want and have already driven a friends or in the case of my last purchase it was a car I had rented in Vegas and liked it.

Chris

 

[toy]

Seems like most want the unions to go they make $70 they make too much money. The $70 an hour is not the truth don't be blinded like that they don't make that much. Some of you might have seen this on the news a while back they said that just a few years ago the ceo's made 25 times what the average worker made and now they make over 400 times what the average worker does looking at it from that point they haven't been keeping up. We can get bogged down just blaming the unions they seem easy to lay all the blame on. Night before last my wife and I went to the mall and they had a lot of cars on display there and I in particular looked at the content of the cars what percent was made in the USA and what % was imported. There was some that had 76% made in the USA and there was some that was 86% percent imported. The cars that had the most USA content in them had close the same price as the ones that had mostly import parts, there was a little but not much difference and they was about the same size cars. Some of the foreign cars in fact cost more. But lets just say that all of the USA majority content cars cost more just for a reference point but still it was close. Now lets see if we can logically close that gap. Lets say that two fenders were the parts that we are going to look at. The two fenders start out the same in raw material or old rusty scrap metal that is recycled. There has to be workers that harvest these raw materials one in the USA and one in a foreign country. Now the USA worker he makes a wage and he pays tax to the USA do you think that the foreign worker pays USA taxes? The company that the USA worker works for they pay USA taxes do you think that the foreign company pays USA taxes, the place where the company buys it equipment also pays USA taxes, the foreign company don't pay USA taxes, the coal miner that mines the coal for the blast furnace He pays USA taxes the foreign coal miner doesn't pay taxes, the USA steel mill worker he pays taxes to the USA and the company that he works for pays taxes to the USA and the place where they get their equipment they pay taxes but the foreign coal miner his company and the place where they get their equipment don't have to pay USA taxes and all this adds cost to the USA product plus if the foreign government subsidizes it's companies and even our country has given money to build the foreign transplant car plants and also gives them state tax breaks in fairness is this fare competition. Another thing to look at who makes up the lost taxes you have put the USA businesses out of business they no longer pay taxes neither does their workers, the extra taxes is passed on to you and you complain about high taxes Now lets go a little farther in our country we have strict pollution standards and they are actively enforced, most of the foreign countries either have no or little pollution standards and they don't actively enforce their pollution standards. Now in California they say that a huge percentage of their pollution drifts in from over seas and the effort to make our factories and people cut back on their pollution while these foreign countries pollute at will is that a fair level playing field. Say our companies emit only half what the foreign countries factories spew out. Our government is being hypercritical towards our manufacturing when they are so strict with our factories and our people and turn around and sign a free trade deal with one of these foreign countries. The free trading that we have been forced into by the powers that be are killing us destroying our way of life, and what does the working class people do they get out their knifes [figurative of speech] and start trying to see which worker they can cut his throat. I've lived in a dog eat dog environment before and we don't want to let our country continue to slide into that kind of state. The double standards that are being forced on us is wrong, as much as is possible we need to educate our self on every aspect of this so we can get a firm stand so we will know when we are being fed a bunch of bull wrapped up in a calculated rehearsed slick line. The thing that seem to bother some is the retiree pensions seems like some want the retirees to be cut off after they have worked all their lives and that has been part of their pay package where is the conservative compassion? What if your retirement plan was totally wiped out just when you needed it and you were financially wiped out and everybody around you were saying that is the best thing that could happen to you.

 

[redneckford]

Seems like most want the unions to go they make $70 they make too much money. The $70 an hour is not the truth don't be blinded like that they don't make that much. Some of you might have seen this on the news a while back they said that just a few years ago the ceo's made 25 times what the average worker made and now they make over 400 times what the average worker does looking at it from that point they haven't been keeping up. We can get bogged down just blaming the unions they seem easy to lay all the blame on. Night before last my wife and I went to the mall and they had a lot of cars on display there and I in particular looked at the content of the cars what percent was made in the USA and what % was imported. There was some that had 76% made in the USA and there was some that was 86% percent imported. The cars that had the most USA content in them had close the same price as the ones that had mostly import parts, there was a little but not much difference and they was about the same size cars. Some of the foreign cars in fact cost more. But lets just say that all of the USA majority content cars cost more just for a reference point but still it was close. Now lets see if we can logically close that gap. Lets say that two fenders were the parts that we are going to look at. The two fenders start out the same in raw material or old rusty scrap metal that is recycled. There has to be workers that harvest these raw materials one in the USA and one in a foreign country. Now the USA worker he makes a wage and he pays tax to the USA do you think that the foreign worker pays USA taxes? The company that the USA worker works for they pay USA taxes do you think that the foreign company pays USA taxes, the place where the company buys it equipment also pays USA taxes, the foreign company don't pay USA taxes, the coal miner that mines the coal for the blast furnace He pays USA taxes the foreign coal miner doesn't pay taxes, the USA steel mill worker he pays taxes to the USA and the company that he works for pays taxes to the USA and the place where they get their equipment they pay taxes but the foreign coal miner his company and the place where they get their equipment don't have to pay USA taxes and all this adds cost to the USA product plus if the foreign government subsidizes it's companies and even our country has given money to build the foreign transplant car plants and also gives them state tax breaks in fairness is this fare competition. Another thing to look at who makes up the lost taxes you have put the USA businesses out of business they no longer pay taxes neither does their workers, the extra taxes is passed on to you and you complain about high taxes Now lets go a little farther in our country we have strict pollution standards and they are actively enforced, most of the foreign countries either have no or little pollution standards and they don't actively enforce their pollution standards. Now in California they say that a huge percentage of their pollution drifts in from over seas and the effort to make our factories and people cut back on their pollution while these foreign countries pollute at will is that a fair level playing field. Say our companies emit only half what the foreign countries factories spew out. Our government is being hypercritical towards our manufacturing when they are so strict with our factories and our people and turn around and sign a free trade deal with one of these foreign countries. The free trading that we have been forced into by the powers that be are killing us destroying our way of life, and what does the working class people do they get out their knifes [figurative of speech] and start trying to see which worker they can cut his throat. I've lived in a dog eat dog environment before and we don't want to let our country continue to slide into that kind of state. The double standards that are being forced on us is wrong, as much as is possible we need to educate our self on every aspect of this so we can get a firm stand so we will know when we are being fed a bunch of bull wrapped up in a calculated rehearsed slick line. The thing that seem to bother some is the retiree pensions seems like some want the retirees to be cut off after they have worked all their lives and that has been part of their pay package where is the conservative compassion? What if your retirement plan was totally wiped out just when you needed it and you were financially wiped out and everybody around you were saying that is the best thing that could happen to you.

Well Said----Some People just can't stand the truth----But customer service at the Dealerships in regards to warranty have to improve-----

 

[toy]

I have a ford f150 4wheel drive a 93 model, it has the same spark plugs that came in it and has never failed to start. I have had to replace the tires once on it getting close to needing to replace them again but that is not a flaw with the truck that is normal wear. I have had the brake pads replaced once had the power window switch replaced, and had a recall on the cruise control. It being a 93 model that is not bad and it still drives like new and looks really good, and rides real good. Toyota had a recall on its trucks a friend of mine told me about it. He had a 99 Toyota and they bought it back from him the frame he said rust out on them, and I know the bodies rust out bad. My brother has a little Nesan or Honda I forget which one any way he had to have the frame changed out on it it rusted into but the body looked pretty good. I have a 99 Jeep Cherokee it is fun to drive got plenty of power I've had a seal replaced in the 4 wheel drive unit other than normal maintinance and wear and tear I have had absolutely no problems out of it, in my opinion I like the ride in it better than my sons Infinity g35x considering the infinity cost nearly twice as much new, I would buy another one in a minute when this one wears out, and I haven't had any problems keeping it on its wheels instead of its top like a Suzika side kick. The jeep gets about 21 mpg if I drove a little less aggressive I probably would get better gas millage. I have a 2003 Dodge Dakota I haven't had any problems with it whatsoever. It is a 4wheel drive it is a v8 my f150 is v8 also, I get about 18 mpg in it.It is fun to drive it rides like a car it does have a blind spot that you have to get used to not too bad, and when you go to pull out it seems a little light in the rear end the rear wheels spin, sometimes it spins and spins I just don't know why it does that. Hey have you seen the new Dodge challenger? They look a lot like the old ones but they do cost too much, while listening to Chrysulers ceo's testimony at the senate and congress hearings I figured out why his cars cost too much along with the other ceo's it is his economic ideallog. You don't worry about your car costing less this year than it did last year because last years customer might get offended you worry about your car not costing less than your competitors car that is in the same class or at least an even cost[ even cost is okay]. If you listened to him it was easy to see where he is causing his company to loose it's opportunity, the other ceo's are doing the same thing evidently common sense wasn't taught at the college that they went too. I do commend them on the challenger and the charger and fords mustangs looks great and the fusion and mylan looks a 100% better than the fish head looking fords of the late 90s. I also have a Pontiac gran am gt , it runs good drives good, looks good and is easy on gas, but gm does have a head gasket blowing problem and they need to get their but in gear and figure out a cure for it if they haven't already and they need to give their customers at least some kind of gesture of good will if not now at least when they get back on their feet. I don't like the idea that the destroyers of our country are suggesting about getting a third party warranty for the big three cars, it would be bad for the auto makers and extremely bad for the customer. I really like the looks of the chevy malibu, Yes by the way some of the foreign cars are having head gasket problems also.

 

[gemini5362]

economy vehicles. We can see what happens when they have to do that while they have that 100,000 pound anchor known as the UAW tied around their neck while trying to tread water.

I believe there was another thread that was closed because of politics and those politics were about the UAW.

I find it interesting that you think it is ok for a master tech to charge for 80 hours of work when he only works about 40 or 50 in a week. I am familiar with flat rate charges. It is ok for dealers to hide holdback money from their customers and even their employees. All of these costs are fed back to the consumer at some point in the price. Yet you want to characterize hourly paid employees who are punching a time clock and getting paid a contracturally agreed salary as a 100,000 pound anchor. It is ok to steal from customers and salespeople but if you agree to a salary and you are working for that you are the problem with why the big 3 are having financial problems.


Face it the big three are having problems because the economy is in the dumps. People are actually trying to be responsible and watch their spending habbits right now because they dont know if they are going to have a job next week. Or because it cost them twice as much to get to work as it used to, or because it costs more to heat your house etc. One group is not the reason the big three are in trouble.

 

[gemini5362]

I am sure that the members of the UAW are considering pay cuts and concessions also. It is going to be more difficult getting them to agree to it because of things like this.

Ethical Corporation: Archive - Unions force American Airlines climb-down over managers' pay

Lee Sustar: Greed Air: Airline Workers Agree to Pay Cuts, While Bosses Stuff Their Pockets


I really love this one. American Airline made a profit then gave out an amount equal or greather than their profit to executives.


http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/publicrelations/pressreleases/20070117.pdf

or this one

American Airlines CEO grilled over executive bonuses - USATODAY.com


The UAW are aware of these stories. It is going to be hard to convince someone to give concessions and take pay cuts when other unions have done that then found out that senior managers were getting double pay in the form or bonuses or all the money that a company earns in profit is given as bonuses for the managers. Especially keeping in mind that the airlines employees were told if they did not accept cuts and concessions the airlines would go broke and they would not have a job. What is the difference between the airlines and the auto industry.