GM Truck Warranty

[Builder]

The worst car I have ever owned in my life was a honda cvcc. Nothing else come close. I know a lot of people who had them and had great luck.

Funny you mention. One of my relatives had a loaded Accord from the mid-80's. Auto transmission went out at 60K. $3,500 to fix out of pocket. It was replaced with a Mitsubishi Galant "Sigma". Transmission blew out in that one too! It also had a stalling problem no one could seem to fix.

In todays economy people that want to buy american have a tough decision. Do you buy the american corp car built in mexico or the Japanese car built in alabama.

I'd still buy the American name car assembled in Mexico. You're probably still getting a vehicle with American content. In fact, some Mexican assembled cars have more domestic content than Japanese cars assembled in the US. Remember, this is only where they are assembled, the parts could come from anywhere. By buying the American nameplate assembled in Mexico, you are also still supporting the domestic economy and profits go to the domestic company.

If you don't like the fact that domestics are built offshore in some cases, blame US Gov't policies, not the Big 3. But that's a political discussion that's not allowed.

 

[redneckford]

Dargo---Do we get to buy the GM and Chrysler vehicles at owner prices less the holdback etc???---after all we are part owners now!!!

 

[Dargo]

No one has the authority to lower those salaries without the vote of the affected workers.

Ah, now I understand. After reading this statement by you I needn't bother to read any further since it's painfully clear that I'm debating someone who has absolutely no concept of the subject at hand. Sorry I thought you may have had some grasp. My mistake.

 

[Dargo]

I'd still buy the American name car assembled in Mexico. You're probably still getting a vehicle with American content. In fact, some Mexican assembled cars have more domestic content than Japanese cars assembled in the US. Remember, this is only where they are assembled, the parts could come from anywhere. By buying the American nameplate assembled in Mexico, you are also still supporting the domestic economy and profits go to the domestic company.

I have not specifically looked into the labels, but I believe most Monroney stickers (the window sticker on new vehicles) specify the percentage of the country of origin for the vehicle. Some Fords are of less U.S. origin then some Hondas or Toyotas. But, just because a vehicle was assembled in Mexico doesn't necessarily mean that it contains more or less U.S. made parts than one made in Kentucky or Canada. A bit confusing at the least.

 

[toy]

I know that a lot of people don't like unions but it kind of got me wondering about that why they don't like unions. I was listening to the news today and they said that the teamster union had took up more donations for Christmas charity for under privileged children. They said that they expected donations to be down but instead it was higher than their previous drives, is that one of the things you don't like about unions? They fought to get child labor laws enacted is that one of the things that you don't like about unions? Unions have pushed for a lot of things that we enjoy today but that was things that they did yesterday but what have you did for me today seems to be the attitude that people have. UMWA was mentioned and nonunion mines, lets say that you have a close loved one working at a nonunion mine you love them with all your heart, maybe a son a daughter, a brother, a dad. Lets call the mine Crandle Canyon mine and lets say the year is 2007 and there is a emergency news bulletin flashes across the tv screen there has been an accident at Crandel canyon mine, we have several miners trapped. We have news crews on their way there right now, and just then the news flashes to a news reporter on the seen at the mine. The news reporter holds the mic up to a company official and ask what happened and the company official says it's not our fault there was an earth quack there was measurements on the rhictoric scale. Your loved one is in that mine and he is using this time to inform the public that it is not his fault it was an earth quack and finally it is dragged out of him he has several men trapped underground he don't know their condition we'll do every thing in our power to get them out, and did I say it's not our fault it was an earth quack[need to win in the court of public opinion]. Your loved one is trapped under ground and you don't know if they are dead or alive, do you want to get them out or do you want it to be known that the company bears no responsabilities for what happened before it is even investigated. Now lets go on a little farther the awful UMWA has trained crews that are trained in search and rescue methods for mines [highly trained] and they offer to use these crews risking their lives to try to save the life of your loved one and the company spoksmen says I don't want them in my mine they will try to unionize my mine. Now are you still in love with these nonunion companies or would you like to get your loved ones out alive? I'm a little skeptical and I wonder there might be another reason that he don't want the union mine search and rescue teams in there maybe part of it is because he knows that the union rescue team is trained in safety and they could spot any violation of roof, ventialtion control plan and any other disregard for safety of his workers. Now lets go on a little farther the company calls for a press briefing and he again is selling his point in the court of public opinion it is not my fault and while he is in his rigtamorer a lot of heavy trucks starts passing by making a lot of noise and he calls out stop those trucks I've got to get this out and all he does is defend his company on tv and seems like the reporters buy into it. He says that they don't need more machinery on the hill now he needs to get this out first and then they can take the equipment on up to the rescue site. Now it is your loved one, do you want to stop the trucks that might have something on it that can speed up the rescue of your loved one and maybe get them out alove or do you want to stop everything so the company official can sell his side of the story? What is more important the lives of the trapped miners or the propaganda of the company official? They probably have the final outcome on the internet if you want to see how the story ends, its your loved one you might want to have a handkerchief with you and be sitting down when you read the end of the story. The unions don't contribute anymore we don't need them around do we? The union is a collection of small voices that together are loud enough that maybe someone can hear their pain and maybe say wait a minute I work for a living too these may be my neighbor my friend and someday maybe even my rescuer. Go ahead drive them out of existance, how is things going for you now with your favorite crowd?

 

[toy]

You have a loved one just boarded and air plane and you are to wave them off. You and you r loved one are unaware that there is danger ahead one of the planes has turned wrong and both planes are on the same runway and they collide. How many die that day? Any survivors? What caused it? There is one more question you need to know it's the first question that I haven't asked yet you help me ask it. My loved one is...........? Oh my god oh no. Are you there yet? One of the reasons why it happened as was reported on the evening news was that the air traffic controller was doing clerical work after he had gave instructions to the planes and he never saw the plane get on the wrong runway. Wait a minute this can't be right there is enough people in the tower that he didn't have to do clerical work I remember the air traffic controller union struck a few years back to get extra help and and and I remember now they were all fired. All those people gone their fate was signed several years earlier and no one laid it to heart. Unions are no good we must drive them into extinction we don't need them. How is it going with you lately? You reckon you might someday need a voice to stand up for you when all the rest of the crowd stands against you

 

[Builder]

I have not specifically looked into the labels, but I believe most Monroney stickers (the window sticker on new vehicles) specify the percentage of the country of origin for the vehicle. Some Fords are of less U.S. origin then some Hondas or Toyotas. But, just because a vehicle was assembled in Mexico doesn't necessarily mean that it contains more or less U.S. made parts than one made in Kentucky or Canada. A bit confusing at the least.

Some of the moroney labels no longer have that information on them.

I think some people get confused and think "assembled in mexico" means "made in mexico".
You could theoretically assemble a car in mexico and have 100% of the parts come from the USA. If so, then where would one consider the vehicle to be made? In USA where all the parts came from? Or Mexico, where it was assembled?

 

[Diamondpilot]

I am sure you all know this but a year ago or so USA Today Newspaper did a article that took into account where the parts were made and where they were assembled. They calculated man hours used and came up with a list of vehicles and listed them as how "American Made" they were. I am sure you could search it out for your particular make and model if wanted but this data was probably on the 2007 model year.

Chris

 

[WilliamBos]

If the melon heads at the UAW/CAW don't take serious concessions, as well as management in the companies, all the companies have to do is file chapter 11, and the Union contract is dead. The Unions are no longer in a position of power, in fact, they have outlived their usefulness.

I would still buy GM, even if it was built in Mexico, because the profits stay here, unlike the Asians.

 

[Diamondpilot]

There is always another side to this story. In the last 10 years I have seen 25 or so GM, Ford, and Chrysler factories shut down in Indiana. These jobs went overseas due to labor cost. Thank the Unions. At this same time there have been Honda, Subaru, Toyota, and Mazda to name a few assembling complete cars and trucks here. They have positioned these factories far away from the so called union towns and are thriving. So does this make them American Made? I am not sure of the answer but I do know they have built state of the art factories, with local government assistance, and put 1000's of people to work making decent wages with good benefits and revitalized dying towns.

The foreign manufactures are beating us at our own game. Well, at least it used to be our game. They put the factories in rural area's and get the farm boys and girls with good work ethics to man them. They run lean and mean and make the companies money and pump it back into the community. When the new Honda Plant was announced for my area 4 years ago a comity was assembled to bring them here. Honda said no because of the years of strong ties to the UAW. We lost out to a small community called Greensburg Indiana with no previous auto experience. New restaurants, house, hotels, roads, entertainment facilitates, ect, ect were built to support the plant bringing tons of job to the area while we sit around whining about the government not saving us and my neighbors worrying about the future of the Health Insurance and Pension's from GM.

Chris