Good morning!!!!

[txdon]

Sounds like a passionate argument for a vegetarian diet. Did you come away with pointers to any specifics? Foods to avoid, recommended daily intakes, etc.?

And where does cactus beer fit into such a diet? :laughing:

First lets talk wine. They had a DR who actually did research for the healthiest wine and the results of the research: Verdot and Cabernet Sauvignon wines.
The healthiest were these de-alcholinized. (but what fun is that) On a discussion on how much - It was said that a glass or so a week was ok but 3 a night no way.
Beer- no mention at this conference but others conference had mentions one very now and then is ok 4 a night not so. (I still have 4 cactus beers left from the six-pac I bought 8 days ago.)

It is not a "Vegetarian" or even a "Vegan" Diet, both of which contain many unhealthy foods such as processed foods and sugar and etc. . . . . You could call yourself a Vegan and live off doughnuts and french fries.

This is a LOW FAT, WHOLE FOODS, PLANT-BASED DIET.

One of the Cardiologist gives his patients this brochure which describes it very well.
http://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/ncal/Images/New Plant Based Booklet 1214_tcm28-781815.pdf

Some of the Doctors are even more strict on the food - especially if the patient is serious and wants to forgo an operation (bypass or stent). - They discussed many of their patients who were serious and improved and no longer needed the operation. You could tell the Doctors were not unhappily about the lack of money but shared the true
enthusiasm of the patients cured disease without surgery.

All of the Doctors thought is was a disgrace that the educational universities do not include nutrition in their medical curriculum. There was actually some medical students there that were going to start a petition that nutrition should be added - they felt there was a big gap in their education - and they were paying a lot for it. It gave me hope for the next generation.

 

[txdon]

They realize that there is not enough Obama care money to continue the expensive treatment of the symptoms when there is a simple but hard alternative.

same could be said for cigarette smoking and the problem is even with knowledge, people do what they do...

Exactly and that was the longest discussion among the doctors. How to change unhealthy human behavior to healthy human behavior. There lies the key that can save this county billions of health care dollars. Like they said - a patient who sees the nicotine stain fingers of their doctor will probably not quite smoking. It begins with them.

All the meals served at this conference were low fat, whole food, plant based.

Not every question on behavior could be answer but there was a lot of corroboration going on between the experts there which gave me hope.
There were some suggestion thrown around that sounded pretty good.

My suggestion, which I did not mention was to get Meghan Trainer to change the words in her song " It's all about the Bass, no treble" to "It's all about the food, no meds".

 

[txdon]

TxDon...what about olive oil and oils from nuts?

Research by one Dr there showed the health benefits of olive oil double the health benefits of tomatoes. But on the other hand it narrowed (like a slow restriction) the size of the arteries for several hours which caused angina. So the overall the consensus was no oil. The research on it was presented and quite convincing - I do not add any types of oils - and don't miss the extra calories.

I don't remember nut oil being specifically discussed.

Oh by the way, protein diets were discussed and the overwhelming consensus were that they were harmful to the patient with research showing a 22% increase of mortality.
They said they were effective short term in loosing weight and when weight is lost, no matter which diet, cholesterol levels decrease, during the weight loss. Do not expect the cholesterol levels to stay low once the weight stops falling off.

 

[farmer2009]

After unloading cattle at the stock yard I swung by Lowes for a few things. They had one of these out for 3 or 4k don't remember exactly. Shop Raven 46-in Hybrid Riding Lawn Mower with Mulching Capability at Lowe's

My thoughts were. Ain't that cute. .

 

[daugen]

We have been fixated on calories so long instead of good nutrition.
The food pyramid was not very helpful.

I now cook only with olive oil. My heart has never had an issue, even after multiple
stress tests required to stay on Celebrex for my arthritis.
And I eat nuts, mostly unsalted almonds.
I call these quality calories...because I hardly ever eat chips or much processed food at all.
But am I going to avoid a Supreme pizza because it has some unidentified mystery meat in it?
Probably not.
But I know it can't be very often.
It just can't, nor can I eat at the local greasy spoon very often.
Life is all about balance, and we are what we eat. To some degree.

And it simply makes utterly good sense to eat green vegetables.
Equally good sense, but less often, to eat a ground chuck hamburger.
You need protein and not everyone likes beans...or their effects.

btw, my cholesterol numbers are mid 100's. No one in my family had heart problems. They all died of
cancer, as likely will I. The trick is what to eat to avoid that...and dementia.
If we could eat our way away from those two, we'd be driving our tractors in our 90's...
I'm up for that. I wonder if any member of TBN is over a hundred years old.

TxDon, thanks for dinging the wake up bell.

Now if only beer had serious medicinal qualities...

Think of yourself as a diesel engine and those bad foods are full of water.
sooner or later you are not going to run well, or at all...

 

[daugen]

My thoughts were. Ain't that cute. .

I saw one of those too. Looked sort of like a big electric wheelchair with a mower,
probably could be used as what, a personal mobility vehicle for going somewhere.
I don't think it would hold up well to many trips through the chicken houses...
although, if they take our keys away from us when we get too old, maybe we can still drive
one of these...

 

[RedNeckGeek]

Don, was there any mention of statins?

I thought they were supposed to take care of the cholesterol problem.:confused3:

 

[Jim Shooz]

I have checked every calendar in the house, every phone, every computer, turned on the tv. Yep they all agree it's June 1.
.13 inches of rain last night another line moving in in about an hour. Have a load of cattle to haul this morning then back to work in chicken coops.

Round here 1st June is called Gypsy Day. Sharemilking contracts usually start/end 1 June and those moving to a new contract/farm are on the road. Sharemilkers with their own herd and not moving far frequently drive(drove ?) their cattle on the back roads so if you're out and about you have to be aware that some roads may be just a little slippery.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Had some good thunderstorms last night, and a bit of heavy rain tonight. We needed the rain, now they have flash flood watches.

 

[txdon]

Don, was there any mention of statins?

I thought they were supposed to take care of the cholesterol problem.:confused3:

Do you ever wonder why The drug companies, that make the statins, have the Doctors make their patients fast before their cholesterol test. There lies your answer.

They only work on the cholesterol the body makes. Don't get a test after poor nutritious meal - it can easily get up to 400 and gradually goes down after 4 hours just in time for that dinner meal. But lets not get hung up on just cholesterol. Nutrition has multiple and different effects on the arteries and the linings of the arteries that make them resistant (healthy nutrition) or susceptible (poor nutrition) to plaque. . There was so much detail discussed I can't go into it here, this is the good morning thread!

One more new thing I found out about plaque, like a cancer tumor it has blood vessels which feed the plaque cells for growth. Starve the cells stop the plaque buildup. Proper nutrition can switch the growing of the cells on or off.