good source for tractor paint?

[Farmwithjunk]

Hmm.. I've used pretty much.. exclusively the 'cheap' TSC paint.. so far I've got about 6ys on some of the tractors with no chalking. I used hardner, and i put on a coat of good ag-soy based wax ( jd product) Every couple of years.

I do try to keep my tractors pulle dunder a pole barn, or at least under a tarp structure to keep them outta the direct light.

So far no chalking..yet...

Soundguy

And like you said, you keep them out of the sun most of the time.

Just for laughs, spray a little NEW paint along side of your 6 year old paint. I would bet it has faded some already. All enamels will fade in time, some faster than others.

I've seen noticable fading in one year with several colors of TSC's paint. (especially Ford blue [like what's on the hood of my 3000) and any reds) The transition from new to faded is so gradual, it's barely noticable as it changes. I sprayed my 3000 Ford last spring. It's already showing some fading. It sits outside whenever there's any other projects in the shop. There's a good reason why TSC sells it for 1/4 of what some "mid grade" enamels will cost, and 1/10th the price of some of the "premium" lines sell for.

With the over-all cost of doing a GOOD paint job, plus time required taken into consideration as well, another $50 or $75 isn't a dealbreaker. I'm not saying TSC sells BAD paint, just there are BETTER choices that don't cost all that much more. If you've never used a "premium" brand automotive paint, you owe it to yourself to give it a try at least once. There IS a difference. (Usually more durable, better UV protection, stays "color-fast" longer, sprays better, and makes for a "tougher" finish.)

Most folks probably won't take the time to wax their 'dozer every year either.

 

[Sully2]

And like you said, you keep them out of the sun most of the time.

Just for laughs, spray a little NEW paint along side of your 6 year old paint. I would bet it has faded some already. All enamels will fade in time, some faster than others.

I've seen noticable fading in one year with several colors of TSC's paint. (especially Ford blue [like what's on the hood of my 3000) and any reds) The transition from new to faded is so gradual, it's barely noticable as it changes. I sprayed my 3000 Ford last spring. It's already showing some fading. It sits outside whenever there's any other projects in the shop. There's a good reason why TSC sells it for 1/4 of what some "mid grade" enamels will cost, and 1/10th the price of some of the "premium" lines sell for.

With the over-all cost of doing a GOOD paint job, plus time required taken into consideration as well, another $50 or $75 isn't a dealbreaker. I'm not saying TSC sells BAD paint, just there are BETTER choices that don't cost all that much more. If you've never used a "premium" brand automotive paint, you owe it to yourself to give it a try at least once. There IS a difference. (Usually more durable, better UV protection, stays "color-fast" longer, sprays better, and makes for a "tougher" finish.)

Most folks probably won't take the time to wax their 'dozer every year either.

Right on, right on! I used the TSC stuff last fall on the disks I re-did. Kubota orange is tough to match to start with. It did "OK" and will last me because I keep all my stuff under tarps...but I sure wouldnt want to paint the tractor with the stuff!

Im going to get a gallon of the real Kubota stuff to do the bucket re-hab late this summer...where Ive stcratched it all up already and will do more during the summer.

"Wax the dozer"???.....!!!!

 

[Soundguy]

I will say one thing.. the factory paint on my Nh 7610s is not holding up as good as the 'repaint' of TSC on my ford 5000.

I'm not sure what CNH is using for paint.. but evidently it is 'cheaper' than the cheap tsc paint.

Soundguy

I've seen noticable fading in one year with several colors of TSC's paint. (especially Ford blue [like what's on the hood of my 3000) and any reds) The transition from new to faded is so gradual, it's barely noticable as it changes. I sprayed my 3000 Ford last spring. It's already showing some fading. It sits outside whenever there's any other projects in the shop. There's a good reason why TSC sells it for 1/4 of what some "mid grade" enamels will cost, and 1/10th the price of some of the "premium" lines sell for.

Most folks probably won't take the time to wax their 'dozer every year either.

 

[BTDT]

GM and Dodge all use I would think fairly good paint, since most cars paintjobs last a good while, but it could be the primer bad, which part of the country you live in, etc. I'm sure we've all seen trucks and cars going down the road that look fairly new, but paint peeling off. Just like rebuilding an engine. You can have all new parts, but if you don't have a clean work area, and try to keep things clean going back together you can have problems. Preparation is a lot of the job.

 

[JESSE1]

About 3 yrs ago I re-painted my gooseneck flatbed trailer with the TSC paint. Used the International Red w/hardener. Trailer turned out beautiful but within 6 months started fading. Paint is very faded now and I'm planning on re-flooring it and repainting before spring. I'm going to check on a better quality paint, probably by PPG or Dupont.

Also stripped, primed and repainted my front-end loader bucket with TSC John Deere green with hardener. Paint has not held up well at all, faded very quickly. In my experience, the TSC paint is easy to use, gives good results at first but quickly fades. This is on equipment left out in the open. If it can be kept under cover the paint would last a little longer.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I will say one thing.. the factory paint on my Nh 7610s is not holding up as good as the 'repaint' of TSC on my ford 5000.

I'm not sure what CNH is using for paint.. but evidently it is 'cheaper' than the cheap tsc paint.

Soundguy

What year is the 7610?

We've got a "broom tractor" at work that's a 4620 or 4630 Ford. Can't recall model #, paint and decals gone for years. I'm thinking it's about a 92? Paint literally came off in sheets. Bad primer was the explaination. (It looks like a bomb range target nowdays) Factory paint on tractors has a lot to be desired, even today. There are better quality finish's available. And they aren't all that far out of line on price. (although some are EXPENSIVE!$!$!$!)

This is fresh O.E.M. paint from AGCO. Paint, hardener(Valspar), and reducer (PPG) were just under $200. Not a vast fortune at any rate.

 

[JESSE1]

The TSC paint is made by Valspar. It evidently is their lowest-cost line of paint.
I've never been pleased with the factory paint that has come on my Mannheim, Germany built John Deere tractors. No matter how often I wax, the paint will spot and go dull after just a few washes. I'm going to strip and re-paint my loader bucket with JD green from my JD dealer so I'll see how their ag paint holds up.

 

[john_bud]

I need to paint a small dozer, and when I went to teh john deere store, they wanted a arm and a leg for yellow industrial paint in a gallon can.

tractor supply didn't have industrial yellow.

Can you guys recommend a good supply for paint?

For a dozer, you want a tough paint that is going to be chip resistant. No sense having to spot touch it up all the time. I would get some Dupont Imron mixed up to match the yellow. (I've had pretty good luck with "safety Yellow") On areas that will get a lot of spill over, you might want to spring for some of the sprayed clear chip guard. It is super tough and is found on cars behind the tires on the lower 1/4 panels.

jb

 

[Soundguy]

Unfortunately, it is a 2002!! Fender paint has sheeted off.. hood paint is faded.. though will buff out ( I tested a section.. )

Primer shows in a few areas.. blue looks to be uh.. less than paper thin.. way less..

I'm pretty sure that TSC paint is alkyd enamil.. cheap for sure.. but i would expect CNH paint to be better.. at least acrylic perhaps.. etc.. My 7610s gets the same barn/shelter as my 5000.. and as I said.. 7610s is way worse for wear int he paint department..


Soundguy

What year is the 7610?

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[Farmwithjunk]

Unfortunately, it is a 2002!! Fender paint has sheeted off.. hood paint is faded.. though will buff out ( I tested a section.. )

Primer shows in a few areas.. blue looks to be uh.. less than paper thin.. way less..

I'm pretty sure that TSC paint is alkyd enamil.. cheap for sure.. but i would expect CNH paint to be better.. at least acrylic perhaps.. etc.. My 7610s gets the same barn/shelter as my 5000.. and as I said.. 7610s is way worse for wear int he paint department..


Soundguy

For the most part, I'm a die-hard about leaving tractors as original as possible. Very limited use of aftermarket parts..... However, paint is ONE area where all the manufacturers take the low road. There are far better quality paints available. However once more, the original point of manufacture has several GIANT advantages over you or me. They get the tractor when it's UNASSEMBLED, NEW and CLEAN and in a semi-sterile environment (relative to where the tractor will spend it's working life). By the time we get around to REpainting them, they've spent 35 years on a farm. It sounds logical that the sooner a tractor gets painted once it starts needing it, the better off it should be. With sheet metal that's reasonably easy to remove, that's not all so bad of a chore. Sheet metal can even be EASILY transported to places geared to high quality auto painting. (read immaculately CLEAN)(Sound like I'm trying to talk you into painting the 7610??? )

There are a few constants when painting;

It took me half my adult life to realize 99% of vehicle electric troubles stem from ground problems. It took me even longer to FINALLY realize 99.999999% of paint troubles begins with prep and primer issues.

If paint doesn't stick, it doesn't matter how good it is.
Paint applied over rough surface will appear ROUGHER.
A hospital operating room isn't clean enough to paint without dirt getting in the paint.
If there's one insect alive with-in a 2000 mile radius, it will crawl across your wet paint until it gets stuck. (Temper tantrums/revenge on the insect only make things worse by the way )

There is one way to combat the high price of better paint. Don't use as much...... I switched to a HVLP gravity spray gun. With more experience, I'm finding it takes me 35 or 40% less paint to more than adaquately cover a tractor. The massey took one quart of Flint grey metallic, and a single quart of red. I used the same reducer to clean parts and the gun when finished. Just shy of a gallon of that. I've painted several 135's over the years, using my old Binks #7 siphon gun. Usually used about double that amount of material. I painted in 4 stages, requiring 4 seperate mixings. That actually required MORE paint. (leftover already mixed with hardener) In one mix, I MIGHT have used even less.

When people start talking high quality paint on tractors, the first response is usually one of "pretty". There's nothing wrong with a little shine on the paint, but it's all about protecting something that experience tells us it may be around 50 or 75 years or more. Why NOT a good paint job?