Good weld?

[user.69169]

Well I ain't sayin nothin bout no weld made by some fellow who takes picture of de weld after cold, ain't sayin diddle bout lookin at top of weld tryin to tell it good or not either. Don't have no Xray vision kit dat works on screen pictures.
Besides, somebody might cry and Blue Whales poof de post. Got screen shot in case dey do tho.

Now, here picture of factory made attachment made in Peoria by group of Certified UAW fellows usin only finest machinery available. Welder fella was a welding school grad wid paper swore he certified. I think he study cake decorating, very nice piping not damage cake at all. Not stuck but looks pretty.
Welder did his work in jig designed by Engineer fellow and Certified schooled inspector approved de job, looking at cold decoration. Then painter fellow did his magic and shipping guy shipped. Dealer inspected on arrival, no scratched paint.

Sucker who paid high buck for finest equipment on market didn't know it for display and lookin at went and used it. Piping came loose from cake. Good thing nobody under de pick. Sucker took it back to dealer, not covered by Warranty, paint stuck.

Thing like dis shining example why Made in America by first line company means you got screwed.
Thank God painter knew his job and did it.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

Well I ain't sayin nothin bout no weld made by some fellow who takes picture of de weld after cold, ain't sayin diddle bout lookin at top of weld tryin to tell it good or not either. Don't have no Xray vision kit dat works on screen pictures.
Besides, somebody might cry and Blue Whales poof de post. Got screen shot in case dey do tho.

Now, here picture of factory made attachment made in Peoria by group of Certified UAW fellows usin only finest machinery available. Welder fella was a welding school grad wid paper swore he certified. I think he study cake decorating, very nice piping not damage cake at all. Not stuck but looks pretty.
Welder did his work in jig designed by Engineer fellow and Certified schooled inspector approved de job, looking at cold decoration. Then painter fellow did his magic and shipping guy shipped. Dealer inspected on arrival, no scratched paint.

Sucker who paid high buck for finest equipment on market didn't know it for display and lookin at went and used it. Piping came loose from cake. Good thing nobody under de pick. Sucker took it back to dealer, not covered by Warranty, paint stuck.

Thing like dis shining example why Made in America by first line company means you got screwed.
Thank God painter knew his job and did it.

Well said, (removed), in glamorous (removed) fashion.
Travis

 

[user.69169]

Thinkin on dis some more seems like most de world has lost any sense of connection.

Lookin around lately seem like everything sorta held together by little metal clip and few roofing nails than a proper joint. Gettin to the point (removed) afraid to be in a building or even close to one. Read a post few weeks back where fellow knew exact shear strength of a nail and how it couldn't possibly hold roof weight. No point to telling him nail just the fastener holding joint using faying surface together. Post dat and somebody cry to Blue Whales and den POOF.

Sorta odd in place in time where search engine gives so called educated diploma clad device carrier ability to look up and maybe understand faying surface, but things is what they is and diploma guy can't learn so he get offended by "idiot" who can build boat from saplings, cloth and paint.

Wonder time to time,; What de prize for generation leaves most information on de table.

Be too easy to blame box store, or manufacturer who sells welding machine. Dey gotta sell or dey bust out. God not be able to help world if dey start sellin jackhammers at de box store. Seems like always comes down to fellow who got only slight idea what he wants to do grabbin onto tools he got little idea how to use and getting dangerous. Probably not his blame either, he spends day in 8 foot square cell leashed to screen because he gotta pay de bills. He sensitive too, so gotta be real careful telling him what to do. I know what I said when I typed it, but I sposta know how he gonna read and make sure he not offended. I don't he run to Blue Whale and post goes POOF.

I guess maybe all dat Degree paper caused people to get too isolated and offendable. Dey got Degree so dey don't gotta get dirty workin for groceries, dey spend day in climate controlled cell and some tiny place in between ears is tellin em dey need to get dirty. Maybe need to search what is callous. (removed) not afraid of dirty, got tag on back of neck says Wash in water, use soap.

You gonna pretend you can work at a trade, learn de trade, at least enough to accomplish what needs to be done.

Hey Blue Whale, Screen Shot is forever.

 

[ruffdog]

Being that the weld in question is where most of the force is applied, I would weld it different. It is on the rounded corner of the tubing and it is tough to get deep there. I would be burning some 6010/6011 down there for a root pass.

 

[Sberry]

Hot and toasty. Even though this is short circuit its well melted from the root out to the toes. Hot enuf that it really doesnt ripple. Pic 1 Hobart 210, pic 2 my 255 red pos, was chasing the spatter. Can see the stop and 1v change to try to get rid of it.

 

[metalbender]

Looking at the op pic, there's squat for weld on the sq tube on the right hand side. Hurry hurry, time is money. This one slipped by QC. Having seen some pics of their work, that example is not the norm.

 

[user.69169]

Hot and toasty. Even though this is short circuit its well melted from the root out to the toes. Hot enuf that it really doesnt ripple. Pic 1 Hobart 210, pic 2 my 255 red pos, was chasing the spatter. Can see the stop and 1v change to try to get rid of it.

Dem little nubbins you calling spatter is really anchor points for putting nice piping on top. Set hotglue machine to fluff & fill and pile.

Gotta be high and fluffy like Peoria UAW Certified decorator/weldunce.

 

[Sberry]

Tube. Where is the pic from phone?

 

[lostcause]

sometimes when welding dissimilar thickness metals - like the thick top rail of a fork frame to a thin wall tube, it may seem like you are fusing the metal well, but in reality, if you are too low on the heat it may only be melting in to the thinner metal, and just laying in against the thicker one. I'm not a pro - just a low-brow fab hack so i always try to double check to the best of my ability - I find the easiest telltale signs that i got decent fusion are good heat discoloration on both metals joined, and even a little undercut, while not desirable, will tell you that you are probably burning in ok. Since I'm one of those guys who knows nothing and use to sit behind a desk and punch numbers all day (now i sit behind a desk and tell others to punch numbers all day) I might decide that i only need 7.3829673103 inches of weld, and since you have 4 feet of weld, a few questionable spots probably won't hurt - that's how I operate on my home projects.

as it was so elegantly put, it's hard to tell after you decorate the cake, but i'd probably trust in the quality of a known manufacturer and their quality control catching anything that might be a real concern. That may appall the safety police here, but also remember that safety is not only in the build of the item, but also in its use. most large and smart companies try their best to make sure that nobody is in harms way when an item like this is being used. accidents will always happen, but if you make sure that people are out of the way in the event of a failure, hopefully everyone gets to walk home. nobody wants the cost of material loss, but it's better than losing a person.

 

[user.69169]

I might decide that i only need 7.3829673103 inches of weld, and since you have 4 feet of weld, a few questionable spots probably won't hurt - that's how I operate on my home projects.

as it was so elegantly put, it's hard to tell after you decorate the cake, but i'd probably trust in the quality of a known manufacturer and their quality control catching anything that might be a real concern. That may appall the safety police here, but also remember that safety is not only in the build of the item, but also in its use. most large and smart companies try their best to make sure that nobody is in harms way when an item like this is being used. accidents will always happen, but if you make sure that people are out of the way in the event of a failure, hopefully everyone gets to walk home. nobody wants the cost of material loss, but it's better than losing a person.

Well, you come from yer experience base, and truth to tell yer thinkin deficiency anemia is probably normal to dat base.
You go look dat picture I posted where da cake decorator went wild wid de hotglue gun, you see where yer idea 1 little defect don't matter fails ta slice de mustard.
Dat assembly of stukta dat looked pretty started unzipping at weakest spot, and once zipper got movin it all come unstuck.

Looks like dat behind de desk experience never had you up close & personal wid a load gone wild either. Best case de falling load stay in one lump before hits ground and after. Forklift rarely best case. Good way to handle material, but generally material held on pallet by gravity alone. Same bunch number guys you hang wid probably got number splains how a buck worth of shrinkwrap or bands not justifiable due to several factors and dat buck better spent in bonuses. From where you guys sit it makes sense. You on de job site yer experience probably not let you see possibility cube of blocks gonna take down scaffold dat gonna hit something else gonna fly and hit Bob just below hardhat as he comes out of blue wart.

On de good side you do recognize heat signature on de weldment is an indicator of deposit quality. Ain't everything, but it a start on education road. Better picture is probably looking at heat picture as weld is being deposited. Best gonna be cut it, polish it and develop it for true story of penetration. One de worst things bout wire welding is deposit of cake piping can look like good weld. Again, look de picture I posted, piping looked real nice, but separation proves piping not even connected to adjacent piping by nothin but stukta.

Again yer viewpoint on first line manufacture is based on where you lookin from. Big yellow in Peoria shipped hundreds of tons of stukta components since 'engineers' lookin at screens had lunch wid bean counters lookin at more screens and decided MIG is best bang fer de buck. Der track record on hydraulic cylinders alone proves engineers don't know much bout welding. Maybe dey engineered cylinders for maximum replacement.