Gooseneck or bumper pull?

/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #21  
My truck is rated at 13k conventional towing and 14k GN. If I go GN, I gain 1k lbs towing but the trailer will likely be 500 lbs heavier so only gaining 500 lbs towing. GN trailer will cost abt $500 more plus equiping my truck with hitch will be abt $400. Bumper pull gains me bed space but a may lose tongue weight but I do already have a weight distributing hitch but find them yet another step when loading. Truck is a Chevy 2500 6L. Any other advantages to a GN? What would you do?


I ran Into the same thing. I had a GN and now a bumper pull. For me it's the way to go. I gain so much with the bed that I was able to get a smaller trailer that I can keep in the Garage, 18' BP vs 25' GN.

Chris
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #22  
I would own both. I think the GN is more than $500 and more weight than 500lbs over the BP. If you need to carry more
implements you need more floor space.
 
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did you quote what length that was? I'm inclined to believe its the 16'. clearly a 16' and a 30' are not going to have the same curb weight.

Same length for each. The more relevant figure is the difference, all else being equal. Total may go up based on length but the difference shouldn't change if both same length.
 
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Got this reply from PJ:

The gooseneck option adds approx. 600 lbs to the trailer

Bob Letkeman
PJ Trailers, Mfg. Co.
1807 FM 2352
Sumner, TX 75486
903-785-6879 (Office)
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #28  
I have another problem that hasn't been brought up in this thread. I have a 2wd dually F350. When leaving where my shop is I have to go up a steeper gravel driveway. When towing my 24ft. bumper pull trailer empty it spins out quite a bit. when loaded around 7000lbs. it won't make it. does a gooseneck help with traction for the truck? I know I need to get the limited slip upgraded at a minimum as well. Just trying to learn my options before giving up
and looking for a 4wd.
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #29  
What have you tried for ballast in the truck bed, and how are you distributing weight on the trailer? It sounds like your tongue weight gets lower after you load the trailer, or more specifically when the forces change from the horizontal to the incline. I'd try getting more weight in front of the front axle on the trailer and/or getting weight in the truck bed over the rear tires before I looked at retooling the set-up. That said, there are some tough roads, curves, and situations out there.
Goosenecks advantage is supposed to be the superior weight distribution across all tires, where bumper pull without load leveler levers weight off the front axle and adds to the rear. Your description sounds like the loaded trailer may be removing weight from the trucks rear axle, or that the roadbed is too loose to stay put. 4wd is great for snow, but I've never used it towing--I have a lot of tongue weight on my bumper pull, but its only a 20ft trailer, and I don't tend to have more than 6000# on it, on a 2007 4wd f350... I guess the load with trailer may be up over 8000#. Does have the heavy 6.0 over the front truck axle which helps me feel better about getting more weight in front of the front trailer axle without lightening the front of the truck much.
I'd get some weight in the truck itself and see if that can overcome your moment when the load exceeds the traction on the grade... if its the roadbed that's giving out rather than the set-up some refreshing might be the easiest cheapest solution.
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #30  
I have another problem that hasn't been brought up in this thread. I have a 2wd dually F350. When leaving where my shop is I have to go up a steeper gravel driveway. When towing my 24ft. bumper pull trailer empty it spins out quite a bit. when loaded around 7000lbs. it won't make it. does a gooseneck help with traction for the truck? I know I need to get the limited slip upgraded at a minimum as well. Just trying to learn my options before giving up
and looking for a 4wd.

I am guessing it aint gonna help much. You have the ability to run more tongue weight on a GN, an more tongue weight helps traction. But the effective weight on the drive tires is probably the same.

IE: 1500# pin weight directly over the axles probably dont put any more weight on the drive tires than 500# on the bumper. The whole leverage thing...

I think you need 4wd, or more speed
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #32  
4x4 and a ELock rear axle is what I got and it's amazing the places where you can get.

Chris
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #33  
I think you have vastly underestimated the extra weight the GN will weigh.

from the PJ website.

a 24' bumper pull 6" channel 14K equipment trailer curb weight =3400lbs
a 22' "classic" GN 14K GN weighs 4720.
a 25' is 5100lbs

Thats 1300lbs more for a GN with the same dual 7K axles under it.

my personal .02 is always for bumper pull.

Just curious; how much is usable floor space on a 24 bumper pull vs. a 22' GN. Is the floor space on the 24' BP about 21'? Is the 22' GN floor space 22'? If so then the weight difference would be the hitch from the added length would make the difference up in weight. The BP would seem to have 5% more floor space. I know my 28' GN is looong. Maybe about 37'.
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #34  
image.jpgI find the GN a lot easier to back up and into places. Most the length of GN well is over in your bed so total yes it longer off the truck but not much on it. I find pulling the GN is way less stressful than the bumper pull,they just pull so much better loaded.
Heck keep the Bp you got and get the GN too,that's a win win...
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #35  
What did you end up getting C4?
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #36  
I think you have vastly underestimated the extra weight the GN will weigh.

from the PJ website.

a 24' bumper pull 6" channel 14K equipment trailer curb weight =3400lbs
a 22' "classic" GN 14K GN weighs 4720.
a 25' is 5100lbs

Thats 1300lbs more for a GN with the same dual 7K axles under it.

my personal .02 is always for bumper pull.

One can also shift that 1,300 pounds onto the rear axle of the truck... now you've got the same trailer axle capacity capacity and the increased stability.
 
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What did you end up getting C4?

Still shopping. Looking at Load Max. Been too busy to make a move.

Been traveling for work and deer/hog/pheasant/quail hunting is priority right now. Really nice to see quail population up.
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #38  
Still shopping. Looking at Load Max. Been too busy to make a move.

Been traveling for work and deer/hog/pheasant/quail hunting is priority right now. Really nice to see quail population up.


I outgrew my 7K H&H 20' BP tilt bed trailer last year. I had a GN a few years ago but as mentioned before, have to swing wide on turns, it cut corners short and tough to back up in a narrow drive and it weighs about 1k more than BP. I sold the H&H and bought a 22' (actual length 23'9" deck) PJ 14K full tilt BP. This PJ model places the axles further back and makes it easy to handle. Tows great and easy to back into my tight drive.
Make sure you check your truck receiver hitch capacity tag. I had to upgrade mine. I bought a Curt class 5XD hitch. I use a 25K rated 2 5/16" ball on a WD hitch
Curt XD Receiver Hitch specs:
Towing Capacity
Weight Carrying Capacity: 16000.0 lbs.
Tongue Weight: 2400.0 lbs.
Weight Distribution: 17000 lbs.
Weight Distribution Tongue Weight: 2400 lbs.
 

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/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #39  
I have a 20' BP, a 25' GN deck over and a 25' 5th wheel camp trailer that is converted to GN wiry a Ranch adapter. I tow these with a 2012 Ford F-350 4x4 ccsb. We carry a variety of loads including two older jeeps at a time on the GN, my Fergson TO-35 with a variety of attachments, depending on what we're doing, and a lot of building materials. Since we got the GN the BP car trailer hasn't moved. The GN is made by Gatormade and handles , backs and loads way easier.
 
/ Gooseneck or bumper pull? #40  
I think you have vastly underestimated the extra weight the GN will weigh.

from the PJ website.

a 24' bumper pull 6" channel 14K equipment trailer curb weight =3400lbs
a 22' "classic" GN 14K GN weighs 4720.
a 25' is 5100lbs

Thats 1300lbs more for a GN with the same dual 7K axles under it.

my personal .02 is always for bumper pull.

Are these comparing the same width trailers, both deckovers, same crossmembers, tails, ramps, no deck on top of goose, etc? 1,300 lbs sounds like way too much if only difference is hitch.
 

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