Got an interesting letter from the RCMP today

[Scooby074]

I don't wonder why you aren't on my side, you are a troll... determined to protect Everlast by derailing any reasonable discussion, burying sensible comments under a mountain of manure, and just being an arse in general.

The best thing about a thread like this is it gives the ole block list a good refresh. Give it a try. It's like Troll-B-Gone.

 

[lilranch2001]

Cannot win an argument the best thing to do is block the guy who embarrasses ya

 

[Scooby074]

Cannot win an argument the best thing to do is block the guy who embarrasses ya

A trolltastic post if I ever saw it. And I'm far from being embarrassed by the likes of you.

 

[lilranch2001]

Scoobydoo, here I thought you blocked me!

 

[dragoneggs]

C'mon guys... really?

 

[lilranch2001]

I am sorry Dragon I was bad, but THEY MADE ME DO IT!

 

[square1]

derailing any reasonable discussion, burying sensible comments under a mountain of manure

Not defending anyone in particular, but claiming reasonable and sensible comments are being deflected isn't exactly right.

Everlast CA acknowledges a labeling mistake was made and has made an agreement, that apparently satisfies the RCMP, to offer a 10-50% discount to those users wishing to replace their machines. This is likely based on the calculated damage owners have suffered. That is reasonable.

If the OP feels their damages are greater than the discount being offered and seeks greater recompense, it would be his option/right to bring suit. The OP would bear the burden of proof in a court of law. The cost of this option would likely be far greater than the cost of any welder but I digress, that is conjecture.

The RCMP advises owners to not use the machines. This does not stem from any known defect, it merely keeps the RCMP from being liable IF a user / owner where to suffer a loss traced to an Everlast welder. This is sensible.

The OP's unproven statements that the machines are dangerous is neither reasonable or sensible. There has not been offered (unless I missed it) any evidence and no case has been made supporting this claim.

The claim that the machine could start a fire also fails the reasonable and sensible test. I'll bet dollars to donuts that 90% of fires traced to welding are a result of flammable/ combustible materials coming into contact with hot weld(ed) material. I'll further wager that 90% of the remaining fires traced to welding are the result of faulty / damaged wiring external to the machine itself. It is beyond comprehension to believe a fire that starts internal to a welding machine would / could spread to an entire building without considerable negligence on behalf of the user. i.e flammable / combustible materials stacked on or around the machine or lack of available fire suppression in the immediate welding area.

If those were my statements, I'd be deleting them as fast as I could, but I'm certain Everlast has already captured them to support their counter suit in the event of a court action by the OP .

 

[newbury]

Gad this thread grows fast.

The whole thing in my mind boils down to proof
The very poor letter that has been posted several times, and still has not been posted in any quality way does not condemn Everlast, and at the worst it would condemn Everlast Canada, to some specific level

scoobydoo and rjmack2 has been over the top condemning Mark, Everlast, Everlast's website, Shieldarc, and anyone else who has decided that they do not agree with their tactics.

it behooves THEM to make their case, and if Everlast Canada screwed up, then Everlast should make it right in the market place, and if they don't then the wronged party's should have the courts on their side.
I would think the BBB would have been already involved.

Making what seems to be some very poor and wild accusations on a web site like this seems pretty low life to me

This seems a case of the OP "I found an excuse to get compensated for buying the cheap alternative". In an earlier (BEFORE he got the letter), now locked thread he was flaming Everlast for not being the quality of machines that cost 5 times as much.

Poking around on the internet trying to find out more, and found this. It seems to me that the welders met the other safety regulator's standards but the wrong label was applied.

I applied the underline on the part I mentioned.

From:
Everlast Canada Campaign Bulletin No ...1

As some of you may know, we have recently sent out letters to all affected Canadian customers concerning a discrepancy found with product labeling. Improper applications of a generic version of a registered Canadian trademark were made at the factory without the proper credentials and license on a limited number of units produced from 2010-mid 2012. These units could have been properly labeled with another logo issued by another credentialing agency but were not. According to Canadian labeling requirements, these affected units are not credentialed properly with the related agency.

It would be better if you cited your sources instead of just saying "poking around on the internet". You obviously went to that secret site that is called Everlast and is not available to the public.

Not defending anyone in particular, but claiming reasonable and sensible comments are being deflected isn't exactly right.

Everlast CA acknowledges a labeling mistake was made and has made an agreement, that apparently satisfies the RCMP, to offer a 10-50% discount to those users wishing to replace their machines. This is likely based on the calculated damage owners have suffered. That is reasonable.

If the OP feels their damages are greater than the discount being offered and seeks greater recompense, it would be his option/right to bring suit. The OP would bear the burden of proof in a court of law. The cost of this option would likely be far greater than the cost of any welder but I digress, that is conjecture.

The RCMP advises owners to not use the machines. This does not stem from any known defect, it merely keeps the RCMP from being liable IF a user / owner where to suffer a loss traced to an Everlast welder. This is sensible.

The OP's unproven statements that the machines are dangerous is neither reasonable or sensible. There has not been offered (unless I missed it) any evidence and no case has been made supporting this claim.

The claim that the machine could start a fire also fails the reasonable and sensible test. I'll bet dollars to donuts that 90% of fires traced to welding are a result of flammable/ combustible materials coming into contact with hot weld(ed) material. I'll further wager that 90% of the remaining fires traced to welding are the result of faulty / damaged wiring external to the machine itself. It is beyond comprehension to believe a fire that starts internal to a welding machine would / could spread to an entire building without considerable negligence on behalf of the user. i.e flammable / combustible materials stacked on or around the machine or lack of available fire suppression in the immediate welding area.

If those were my statements, I'd be deleting them as fast as I could, but I'm certain Everlast has already captured them to support their counter suit in the event of a court action by the OP .

Well written.
I am beginning to believe that the machine the OP has could be a significant health risk to him and he should have his blood pressure checked.

 

[lilranch2001]

Well stated Square..... except
I do not remember any data that supports there were ANY fires attributed to the welders or welding, and I just re read the entire thread last night.
Granted at 2 PM I was a little bit sleepy, but I honestly do not remember any posts that indicated fires, other than wild eyed supposition that there could be (fires) since the machines were miss labeled.

 

[Shield Arc]

This seems a case of the OP "I found an excuse to get compensated for buying the cheap alternative". In an earlier (BEFORE he got the letter), now locked thread he was flaming Everlast for not being the quality of machines that cost 5 times as much.

You nailed newbury!:thumbsup:
I think what it boils down to, is back in March of 2013 rjmack bought a welding machine that didn't meet his expectations. He has been on the war path ever since. He demanded his money back, and Everlast Canada didn't do it. He says that his PA-200 would not run 6010. When some of us tried to help him, then he started with the name calling. Yeah that always works! Truth be known I'll bet rjmack thought for under $400.00 he was getting the same quality as a top of the line Miller XMT-304, or a Lincoln Invertec. Sorry it doesn't work that way!


Not that I know one way or the other, but it wouldn't surprise me China put counterfeit CSA stickers on the machines. News flash, China doesn't play by our rules! Wasn't it about 10-years ago Microsoft tried to nail China for patent infringement?