Grand jury indictment for shop removing diesel truck emissions devices.

[Grumpycat]

And the Gov't is focusing on this stuff, while murderers, rapists, and thieves (not to mention Covid infected) people cross our borders without any recourse.

Emissions KILL. It take awhile but emissions KILL.

Yes and no.

IMHO the biggest problem with diesel emissions is carcinogens. EPA is ignoring those.

Carbon/soot is between good to harmless on the farm. DPF (and the nasty regeneration cycles to burn the DPF out) only charge the size of carbon particles. The big ones are bad for your lungs but what idiot stays in the exhaust?

They say CO2 is bad, but then increase CO2 emissions when burning the DPF clean. Inconvenient fact is at 300 ppm we already have 92% of the greenhouse gas effect possible from CO2. The effect is logarithmic, the first little bit does a lot, the next less, until you get where we are now doubling does almost nothing.

DEF (urea) is required to operate the SCR for NOx reduction. Only a problem if one is breathing exhaust, perhaps in crowded urban environments.

 

[fried1765]

No better than here. End delivery is still by motorized transportation.

It is not just "end delivery is still by motorized transportation" in the USA though.
It is essentially ALL delivery!

 

[Username Taken]

It is not just "end delivery is still by motorized transportation" in the USA though.
It is essentially ALL delivery!

There are practical reasons for that. Speed, is one thing.

Going from one station to another is simple. Then what do you do? Do you have your own Rail Station? No? Wouldn't matter. The Railroad people aren't gonna pull a 100 car train into your place to drop off one rail car (equal to 4 semi trailers). Nope, they're gonna drop it -- Somewhere and then you gotta go pick it up. Somehow. Some way. If they can find it. This week, maybe next. Better hope there's nothing perishable in there. Could get lost forever. Or, the rail car could get broken into and robbed. Nah..... That doesn't happen, right? Not ever, not in our precious Big Cities!!

And oh, better be willing to pay the dockmaster off to get to your stuff. If you can.

So yeah, you can get something shipped to you from Joisey to Michigan by rail. Then you gotta find it, find a truck to get it to you.

It ain't pretty. Bring your own forklift. And workers

Unless you're big-time. You got 50 rail cars of stuff being delivered, it's much cheaper and well worth the pain. But if you're like most small businessmen that buy one or two semi loads at a time.... No way. It's just not worth the effort.

 

[orezok]

There are practical reasons for that. Speed, is one thing.

Going from one station to another is simple. Then what do you do? Do you have your own Rail Station? No? Wouldn't matter. The Railroad people aren't gonna pull a 100 car train into your place to drop off one rail car (equal to 4 semi trailers). Nope, they're gonna drop it -- Somewhere and then you gotta go pick it up. Somehow. Some way. If they can find it. This week, maybe next. Better hope there's nothing perishable in there. Could get lost forever. Or, the rail car could get broken into and robbed. Nah..... That doesn't happen, right? Not ever, not in our precious Big Cities!!

And oh, better be willing to pay the dockmaster off to get to your stuff. If you can.

So yeah, you can get something shipped to you from Joisey to Michigan by rail. Then you gotta find it, find a truck to get it to you.

It ain't pretty. Bring your own forklift. And workers

Unless you're big-time. You got 50 rail cars of stuff being delivered, it's much cheaper and well worth the pain. But if you're like most small businessmen that buy one or two semi loads at a time.... No way. It's just not worth the effort.

Ever heard of containers? Ship by rail and delivered to your door by truck with NO hiccups.

 

[Paystar]

I'd remove that crap in a heartbeat. But fortunately now I don't need to. I retired from trucking, sold my diesel pickups and bought gassers, and am filling my yard with 26 horsepower Kubota's and antique gas tractors.
Problem solved......at least until they start attacking gasoline.
Sure I'd like some bigger new Kubota's but ain't ever going to happen. I'll just keep working harder with the small stuff. And when they add a DPF to 26 and under h.p. tractors I will simply just keep what I have now.

 

[John_Mc]

Politifake fact-checked the Babylon Bee. Three times!!

Nice citation. Everybody with an above-room-temperature IQ knows they're the biggest liars going.

You want to prove a point? Great. Just don't use the biggest liars in the Country as evidence. Maybe it is incorrect, but I wouldn't believe Politifake if the 'journ-o-list' was sitting on a stack of Bibles.

Just because you disagree with them, doesn't make them fake. The Politifact story is correct. An old college friend lives in the area. The truth was all over the French news. Snopes reported the same thing on that story, but I suppose you'll claim that is BS as well, since it doesn't support your narrative. By all means, go right on believing that facebook post or wherever you found it.

 

[Grumpycat]

No, electric cars weren’t dumped due to costly batteries

A viral Facebook post that questions whether "we need to go green" shows rows of electric cars in a field in France, and

www.politifact.com

The story is true in that the company trying to lease the EVs could not get enough customers to pay enough just to pay their bills.

The lie is in the claim that cars were parked because batteries needed to be replaced. Any half-engineered EV (that condition excludes the Nissan LEAF) goes to great lengths to protect its battery which should serve for at least 200,000 miles.

 

[paulfun9]

What I haven't read here is a reason for wanting a 'deleted' exhaust. To add what HayDude mentioned regarding engineering, it is hard to believe that there is no other way to have better air than with DEF, or to get better mpg. I have known some who have deleted and their number one reason is because of mpg. Nothing about power, sound or air quality. Whether true or not, they reported upwards of 20% better fuel economy = same as the pre-DEF engines. Therefore a customer has to buy more fuel, plus they have to buy DEF to use their vehicle. One owner I know bought a brand new 5500 pickup and was only getting 10 mpg. Who wants to put up with that? With delete, the new mpg was 14. And BTW, the second reason is that if you run out of DEF, the vehicle goes into limp mode, so if you are towing something you are essentially stranded along the side of the road. I'm convinced that the way things are (w/ DEF) is cheaper than better engineering.

Only a 4 MPG improvement?

The last delete I saw installed took the truck from an average of 16 MPG right to 26 MPG ! That particular tuning device had I think 4 different settings and if memory serves his towing MPG was also in the low twenties.

I am having a hard time understanding how burning that much more fuel is better? Then I hear about the stink out the pipes and rolling coal as they say and think about the local young guys with thier jacked up trucks and realize most aren’t thinking about trucks like my friends which isn’t tuned to the moon just tweaked for some reliable mileage as an everyday work truck. What is funny to me is that his bone stock truck when started in the same garage makes just as much of a stink and other than the sound you wouldn’t be able to tell which one was running.
The lack of being able to tell the difference is what has me confused the most. So are we really polluting less or just picking because some young folks are trying to be stupid and roll coal or tune to the moon.

 

[sd455dan]

Continental Europe basically started from scratch in 1946. Much of their infrastructure had been bombed to rubble so there was no layered, antiquated system that had to be torn up in order to rebuild it right.
After the War we spent far more and money rebuilding Europe and, to a lesser degree, Japan than we did rebuilding our own Country. In fact, that's where much of the pollution problem in this Country began.

The War was sold as a struggle for survival so we built, manufacured, smelted, mined, etc without regard to -- Anything. Afterall, it was a War of Survival. Everything and anything goes. Including Nukes

Then, after the War, since virtually everything that moved in Europe and Japan and been bombed or shelled into a pile of debris, we made everything for them. They couldn't. They had nothing to make anything with.

So, again with the coal burning, the mining the smelting..... We even shipped cars to Japan in those days!!!! And Europe! Anything we made, they'd buy it. As fast as we could make it, they'd buy it.

All during the 50's Companies and Union Workers got fat as fat could be and really didn't care what happened to the environemnt, their Cities, their workers...... Nothing. It was bad. Really bad. Really, really bad. LBJ's VietNam that he created so he could install his 'Great Society' was also a huge, giant contributor.

People bought new cars every 3 years. You were nobody if you drove a car over 3 years old. And what cars they were!! Big, huge, giant Land Yachts! WIth about as much technology as generic motors could muster -- (None). 10 miles to the gallon...... Down hill. Didn't matter though. I vividly remember Hi Test gasoline for 25 cents a gallon in the early 60's. Clark stations. All they sold was Hi Test

Pollution? What's pollution? We'll have to take that up at our next Union Meeting

Then Richard Milhouse Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency because it needed to be done. We warned him about being careful who got hired. We were nervous that it would be a haven for burnt out hippies and over-educated imbeciles. We also warned about the power given to such an agency.... Not elected, no real oversight, activist Judges making Law in Court out of thin air.

We were right to worry. Never let a crisis got to waste, right boys?

And what cars they were!! Big, huge, giant Land Yachts! WIth about as much technology as generic motors could muster -- (None). 10 miles to the gallon...... Down hill.

Most of them in the 60's yes .

One exception was Buick Olds and Pontiacs intermediates in 60-63 with the 215 aluminum (324lb) V8 . those little buggers could easily get 20 + MPG hi way and was a versatile enough production block to be run in the Indy 500 in 1962 with Dan Gurney running at over 147 mph.

Then again what did GM in their ultimate wisdom do with that efficient little gem? they sold it to Range Rover- then tried to buy it back, with no success. 39 years of continuous production.

ps. Good Indy race yesterday when Helio Castroneves won for his fourth time. Indy is going to hybrid tech of some sort in a couple years using "Larger" 2.4 liter engines.?

Sorry for the derail, and back to the thread

 

[Grumpycat]

Only a 4 MPG improvement?

The last delete I saw installed took the truck from an average of 16 MPG right to 26 MPG ! That particular tuning device had I think 4 different settings and if memory serves his towing MPG was also in the low twenties.

A friend had a deleted 2008 6.4L Powerstroke for a while. Put it back to stock and traded. He used the mildest Spartan tow tune said to maintain all factory limits yet add 125 HP.

Empty MPG driving like an old man went from 14 to 16. With a 20' toy hauler at 62 MPH it got 12 MPG, 9 MPG pre-delete. At 70 MPH it would get 9 MPG vs 7.5.

My observation the past 20 years is that less than half the people who think they know what their MPG is know how to divide miles by gallons of fuel used. The fool computer on the Powerstroke lied like a politician planning on raising taxes, both before and after. Would claim 20 MPG for 200 miles on 14 gallons.

VW cheated the EPA by greatly limiting acceleration and engine load when a dyno was detected. It let them get away without DPF or SCR. It was a car that drove so bad they knew full well no one would accept.

With nothing else to do going to dirtbike races I estimated one gallon of diesel was used to burn out the DPF every 250 miles. More often when we had the toy hauler. Estimated using the unreliable fool MPG computer and hand calculated MPG at truck stop. Seems foolish to me not to wrap the DPF in insulation to keep it hot for self-cleaning, "But who am I to question Ford's engineers?" Maybe it has to be relatively cold to catch the soot?