grease question

[sw03]

Test results are listed on the Schaeffer sight under Technical Data. It's the same standard testing approved by AGMA like the 4ball wear test, etc... Hundreds of customer testimonials.

The true test is what will it do in your equipment, compared to what your using now, in your environment. I don't have any of that information. So I have to go back to, any lube that can keep up with it in performance is going to be more expensive, any lube that beats its price can't perform. It will outlast any Lithium Complex based grease at least 2:1 probably more depending on your specific application

And by what lab etc? Customer testimonials are not really the end all.

But I agree, what it does for me is what I want. When I pay LOTS for a something like Cat 797 or a CAT 983 etc a cheap grease has worked for years. So why is this better? I get the same deal from sales reps weekly.

This is like the old synthic oil debate longer then you have been a member.

 

[John Morgan]

The lab I refer to is ASTM, gov't regulated. I agree testimonials are not the end all. You only care about how can it perform in your equipment and save you money.

I have to fall back to cost advantage. If there is a lubricant that can perform to our level, it is going to be more expensive. If the lubricant competes on price, it cant perform to our level resulting in higher grease consumption, higher lubricant related failure, more down time, higher repair cost.

Google "Lithium Complex Grease". The info given will confirm the following.

Point 1: Aluminum complex greases are water proof, period. They will not emulsify with water, they will not wash-out. This single fact will reduce your grease consumption by 2 or 3 times. If it takes 3 tubes of your grease to last as long as 1 tube of Schaeffer grease, which one cost less to use? Water is heavier than oil. When a grease emulsifies, the water displaces the lubricating oil leaving only the thickening agent to lubricate the bearing. This causes excessive and premature wear.

Point 2: Schaeffer greases contain a solid lubricating package that include MoS2. Cat studies have been so complete, they require, in heavy equipment5% Moly for greases used in Pins and Bushings and 3% Moly in most everything else. Moly has been proven, through independant studies, to reduce the coefficient of friction as much as 75%. I've had people tell me they haven't had a lubricant related failure since switching to Schaeffers. If you have 1 tractor we aren't talking a lot money. But imagine a large farming operation or a construction company, now were talking thousands of dollars in related costs.

There is so much information I have left out. You would be shocked at the number of mechanics and maintenance professionals I have talked to that don't know how a grease is built or how it functions. These are only two of the benefits using Schaeffers grease brings to the table in realizing a cost advantage.

Anyone is welcome to PM me if you want to know more.

 

[daman1]

Just let it rest John if this guy thinks all products are made equal well then more power to him let him do is own research and testing if he knows how.

 

[John Morgan]

Thanks Dan, I understand some people refuse to accept facts even when they're put in front of your face. I had a TRC guy visit me last Thursday. He performed all his little demos side by side with the Schaeffer grease. Schaeffers 238 grease outperformed the TRC 880 grease, using his demos and he still tried to sell me even though it did'nt perform as well and is more expensive. We did tire sealant, gear lube and fuel additive. None of them could beat Schaeffers cost advantage.

 

[daman1]

I've used the 880 i have a half a case in the back room,it has good specs on paper and is good grease yes it is,but the 238 is a step up because of the better thickener and reversibility is better also.

 

[John Morgan]

I agree...TRC makes a great product. The 880 uses a Calcium Complex thickener which is stronger than Lithium Complex but only has about 60% reversibility. So again, proving cost advantage to Schaeffer with +98% reversibility and waterproof thickener. Not to mention is more than half the cost of TRC Moly 880 which also meets Cat Spec for pins and bushings. The regular 880 has no Moly at all and is still higher than the 238.

I can do this all do with any grease out there:thumbsup:

 

[daman1]

I have a sales rep down the road 10 miles and get for just over $3 a tube,how can you beat that for an outstanding grease?

I also have a few tubes of the new amsoil Off-Road Grease i tried out great grease i highly recommend it 5% Moly but again i prefer the 238's thickener.

 

[John Morgan]

I haven't come across the off-road grease yet. The only Amsoil greases I have experience with are Lithium and Calcium Complexes. Schaeffer beats those as well.

 

[daman1]

Forgot the link oops anyway yea it's CC thickener.


AMSOIL Synthetic Polymeric Off-Road Grease - NLGI #2

 

[John Morgan]

Thanks, I'm researching it now.