Great lake boats, a good video

[ArlyA]

Ya, I read the same about live cargo's there. Quite the mess they are dealing with. I worked for a fellow who worked for BN years ago and he recalled letting cattle off of trains for food and water. There used to be corrals at stations for that purpose.

 

[5030]

I like lam chops myself....

 

[5030]

Not sure the 'Ever Given' does. I've looked at numerous YT video's of the stuck ship and there are no symbol's on the bow above the waterline that denote them.

I stand corrected, there are 2, behind the nose. I read that the bow thruster spaces are flooded and there are issues with the bow section of the hull and the nose is hard aground on a rock. Not good.

The stern is free, the rudder is moving as is the propellor and the salvors (Smit Tak) is hoping to use tugs and the ship's engines to get her unstuck but there may be structural damage to the hull from flexing because the bow is firmly stuck but the stern is floaing and the weight of the ship is flexing it.

 

[ArlyA]

I agree 5030 but when I looked at that class of ships, they all had bow thrusters. But we should note, they are only good for X amount of wind. All interesting just the same.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I'm surprised, it has two bow thrusters. One 2cycle Low Speed Diesel Engine, fixed propeller and 4, 8 cyl YANMAR Generators. Probably some of that capacity is for the Bow Thrusters.

For those interested. Many of those ships engines are started and reversed using stored compressed air in HUGE vestles, running it through the engine. WHAT A NOISE! The Yanmars run Electric Compressors to charge the storage tanks. Loose your stored air, and you can't start or reverse your engine.

 

[MossRoad]

I can read this stuff for hours.

 

[5030]

I'm surprised, it has two bow thrusters. One 2cycle Low Speed Diesel Engine, fixed propeller and 4, 8 cyl YANMAR Generators. Probably some of that capacity is for the Bow Thrusters.

For those interested. Many of those ships engines are started and reversed using stored compressed air in HUGE vestles, running it through the engine. WHAT A NOISE! The Yanmars run Electric Compressors to charge the storage tanks. Loose your stored air, and you can't start or reverse your engine.

Actually, most large boats are started on compressed air (Mackinaw included) and the compressors are run by auxiliary smaller diesel engines. No way could you provide the starting amps tot spin a large marine diesel engine and storage batteries are heavy and detract from the cargo weight. Vessels btw. actually called receivers. Lots of 2 stroke marine diesels especially the real big ones. Less moving parts and lower maintenance.

None of them use electric compressors that I know of, all are auxillary diesel powered. Only the lakes boats use direct coupled diesel engines to power the bow thrusters, I used to work on them

 

[5030]

Will be interesting to find out what REALLY caused the Ever Given to get in the position it's in. I'm sure it will all come out, usually does. Could have been the wind, or the dust storm, could have been pilot error (but I don't think so because the Captain at that time was a Suez Canal assigned Captain, unless the helmsman went contrary to command.

I think the big fear right now is, the Ever Given will suffer structural failure by the way it's perched with the bow in the sand bank firmly and the stern floating. Lots of imposed stress on the hull and if she breaks, that will be a huge disaster.

I see Smit Salvage is hesitant to really apply a huge amount of Bollard pull to refloat the bow as it presently stands Bring in a huge ALP tug and a huge Spanish (I think) tug with gobs of Bollard pull. They can only pull so hard and bad things will happen.

Quite a balancing act but Smit Tak is a heck of a salvage company. Very professional. Thought maybe Mammoet was also involved but I don't see them mentioned anywhere.

Have to remember, all hulls are flexible to some degree (think of the Fitz) so excessive pull can destroy the ship.

I also see that one of the ships is carrying livestock (actually 2 are) and the livestock owners (cattle) told the carrier to kill them. I bet that will be a stinky mess, 1600 steers rotting in the sun down there don't sound all that good. The livestock ships are running out of feed.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I pretty much remember the modern Jap ship I was on had electric Compressors, and three Yanmar Gensets. 1 Always for standbye. Could go back and look at old video. Everything on the ship was electric from the Cranes to the Galley. So having an Electric compressor wouldn't surprise me. Then you don't need to back-up (or for that matter start) a Diesel compressor.

Heard of the possibily of Running Shoe Shortages! lol Summers coming and there will be hell to pay if the peaceful protesters don't find the latest styles and sizes at their local Foot Locker!

 

[5030]

I think, if I was Smit Tak, I'd cut a hole in the ship's side above the loaded water line and a corresponding hole in the opposite side (both near the superstructure supports and run the pulling cables through those holes with reaction plates on the port side and pull from there. That would lessen the chance of serious structural damage and allow them to exert the maximum bollard pull all the tugs could produce. I think there are at present, 11 tugs on station not including the 2 mega tugs coming in That is a huge amount of pulling power available (Bollard pull).

Hammer down and blowing smoke.... Well, blowing heat, not smoke. Most of the tugs are Tier 4 compliant.