Hang on, this ain’t going to be pretty

DK35vince · Apr 18, 2005

You sure are having your share of bad luck with that machine.
I hope you get the bugs worked out of it real soon !!
I had the bolts on my backhoe subframe work loose a couple times on my Rhino backhoe. After the 2nd or 3rd time of messing around tightening bolts I welded it solid (no more loose bolts /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)

Bob_Skurka · Apr 18, 2005

In no way was I saying that Carver was anything but excellent, in fact I think I stated that their reputation on this board is top notch. I even implied that I didn't think Carver would have been the one to attach the subframe and backhoe that seems to be flexing. Please re-read my post. It was another poster who indicated it might be a dealer problem.

KiotiOrange · Apr 18, 2005

DK35Vince,

I hope I don't have to resort to welding. It was a little disheartening to start looking around under the BH to find only half of the hardware had lock washers. The vibration and other forces in play here make me wonder why they wouldn't use Loctite red (or even, gasp, green) to keep this stuff from falling off.

I've seen Harleys shake hardware off with less frequency than this. And I mean the old AMF Harleys...

beenthere · Apr 18, 2005

Re: Hang on, this ain’t going to be pretty

I don't understand how a tight bolt becomes loose, unless the holes are oversized and the two pieces bolted together can start working back and forth. Is this the problem? Or is it just not related?
Sorry to hear of your dilema, but certainly hope you get it fixed.
It's Carver's problem, directly or indirectly (or one way or another). It may not be Carver's doings, but it is a problem for them.
I would think you or Carver would hear from Carver's supplier about a solution. Good luck.

What happened to the title of this thread?????

KiotiJohn · Apr 18, 2005

With all due respect to Carver and Carver, that backhoe was assembled to the subframe by them, not Kioti. It comes in a crate and has to be assembled. That said, it behooves each buyer to go over each and every bolt when these things are bought. It's been said many times here on TBN. Dealer's employees sometimes get in a hurry and don't put every thing on that should be. The lock washer were a must, and torquing it down with a impact is usually necessary. These bolts are notorious for loosening and have to be tightened about every four to ten hours of use unless something is used on them to prevent it. Did you use an impact wrench on them when you put the locktite on? I'm amazed they got that loose that fast if you did. If you didn't, you needed a torque wrench at the very least. They catch a lot of stress.
Whilel you're at it, check all the bolts on the entire tractor. That is something you should do at every 50 hours along with greasing the tractor itself. Loader and backhoe should be greased after about 4 hours of hard use. John

shvl73 · Apr 19, 2005

( I've seen Harleys shake hardware off with less frequency than this. And I mean the old AMF Harleys...)
Oh, They can shake some pieces off with a absurd frequency, and break frame tubes when your on a long trip and motor mounts loosen. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I hope you fair better with the Kioti, good luck.

slowzuki · Apr 19, 2005

The new to us L5030 HSTC we just bought worked the loader mount bolts loose the other day at 512 hours...

I noticed in the loader manual you're supposed to tighten them all regularly.

Ken

KiotiOrange · Apr 19, 2005

Just spoke with the folks at Carver this morning and they are going to send a tech out on Thursday (some 250 miles away) to go over every nut and bolt with me to make sure it is setup as it ought to be.

Again I can't say enough about the quality of support from Carver. They have gone the extra mile every step of the way to make sure I am happy.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for all the support.

KiotiJohn · Apr 20, 2005

( Again I can't say enough about the quality of support from Carver. They have gone the extra mile every step of the way to make sure I am happy. )
I was sure this would be the case with Carver. Anyone can have some misses when putting together all the nuts and bolts on these pieces. Just make sure you go buy all the right sized sockets and wrenches you'll need to keep all the bolts on each piece of equipment tight. Tractors get a lot of vibration and bolts are going to loosen. I've found it best to, at the least, check them at every 50 hours. The BH frame, more often. John

BigAl · Apr 20, 2005

I agree with John but with one exception . I would do a bolt check every "10" hours or whenever I climbed on the tractor . Include that in your preventive maintance check every day just like oil level ,greasing ,lights working , etc. I have a brother who could tear up a anvil in 50 hours ,much less a tractor . Some people are rougher on equipment than others . Don't get ne wrong , I am not implying operator abuse here . I've seen lug nuts on certain wheels that would not stay tight no matter what we did to keep them tight . I know that the nuts always seemed to work loose on my Backhoe sub frame . A simple fix was to retorque to Manfactures Specs and place a "small tack weld" on the nut and bolt . Now I have a "front bucket leveling rod indicator " that hates me and refuses to stay tight . I find that after about 4 hours of hard digging I need to check it for tightness . Same thing with my loader bushings . It is just part of good maintance to check these things . I do believe that this is common problem in all brands of tractors and not special to just one or two brands . I also agree that there is no excuse for missing lock washers and so forth on a brand new tractor and the dealer should be informed . I know, I would want to know if I "owned" a tractor dealership and had a employee who was not doing his job correctly and throughly . No one will remember that "good ole Joe" ,the mechanic ,assembled the tractor poorly, only that they bought it from XYZ tractor dealership and so the tractor and or the dealership must be bad .
Big Al