Harbor Freight lawsuit

   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #31  
So question for those bemoaning the lawyers that brought this suit....

What if instead of it being HF, the party being sued was whatever company keeps calling me because my "automobile warranty" or the company calling me telling me that they will reduce my credit card interest? Would your opinion change then?

What about a class action against VW for their active deceit about the emissions on their automobiles

Just curious.
HOW about GM knowing for year's (proven) that their IGNITION key switch's were killing people---no-one in PRISON ???????
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #32  
I'm surprised to see so many of you that are accepting the deceitful advertisements of HF. I suppose that you've seen it for so long of a time that you think it's okay?

If I see an item advertised "Comparable at $995.00, on sale for $129.00 less the standing 20% discount, why would I not think that HF is saving me $892? Is that because 'that's the way they've always done it'?

Or if I buy a pair of pliers that the handle breaks in half when I clamp down on it with one hand, does that make it okay - at any price? Or if the 24" break-over bar bends. Or if the spring clamp for struts lets go and nearly kills my child as it flings across the yard, is that okay too?

I also detest the ambulance chasing lawyers - especially the ones that have the ad where some wife calls "One call, that's all" when she claims her husband has been in a wreck and he is in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. She has no idea as to how serious his injury is, and the lawyer tells her he'll meet her at the Emergency Room. Those lawyers should be required to buy their tools at HF!

Excuse me please, I have to leave and run over to HF to snag some of those hard-to-get items on "sale". Nah... BT-DT.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #33  
I'm surprised to see so many of you that are accepting the deceitful advertisements of HF. I suppose that you've seen it for so long of a time that you think it's okay?

If I see an item advertised "Comparable at $995.00, on sale for $129.00 less the standing 20% discount, why would I not think that HF is saving me $892? Is that because 'that's the way they've always done it'?

Or if I buy a pair of pliers that the handle breaks in half when I clamp down on it with one hand, does that make it okay - at any price? Or if the 24" break-over bar bends. Or if the spring clamp for struts lets go and nearly kills my child as it flings across the yard, is that okay too?

I also detest the ambulance chasing lawyers - especially the ones that have the ad where some wife calls "One call, that's all" when she claims her husband has been in a wreck and he is in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. She has no idea as to how serious his injury is, and the lawyer tells her he'll meet her at the Emergency Room. Those lawyers should be required to buy their tools at HF!

Excuse me please, I have to leave and run over to HF to snag some of those hard-to-get items on "sale". Nah... BT-DT.
REALLY I don't accept or like deceitful AD"S-But I'M I'M I"M smart enough to see when a tool is less than half what a similar tool COST I'm not expecting TOP quality----AND by the way I never seen H.F. claim they sell the best tool's, unless a person is a Darn FOOL he is aware he is buying lower quality tool's, so I say quit bashing H.F. for offering a lower line tool for the guy who might only use it once, AND if my child's health was involved I don't think I would be cheap and then blame someone else for me either being CHEAP or STUPID.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #34  
REALLY I don't accept or like deceitful AD"S-But I'M I'M I"M smart enough to see when a tool is less than half what a similar tool COST I'm not expecting TOP quality----AND by the way I never seen H.F. claim they sell the best tool's, unless a person is a Darn FOOL he is aware he is buying lower quality tool's, so I say quit bashing H.F. for offering a lower line tool for the guy who might only use it once, AND if my child's health was involved I don't think I would be cheap and then blame someone else for me either being CHEAP or STUPID.

That claim is actually right on their website. Quality tools at ridiculously low prices.

However the law suit is NOT about the quality of the tools they sell. It is about the fact they have a "sale" price, but the tool is never sold at the "Regular" price. Also their "compare at" is deceptive.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #35  
I personally don't need the government to protect me from obvious sales gimmicks and we all as consumers of HF will pay the losses of the lawsuit, it'll just be passed on.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #36  
I personally don't need the government to protect me from obvious sales gimmicks and we all as consumers of HF will pay the losses of the lawsuit, it'll just be passed on.

The problem is gimmicks aren't allowed...nor is deceptive advertising. Truthful advertising is required.
That's the law in most places I believe. And who is to enforce it?
Yes we all pay for frivolous law suits, and yes there are way too many folks with legal degrees
just looking to pounce on any opportunity to make money. They eat what they kill and and they want
to kill some insurance backed game...

if this legal action resulted in HF admitting to illegal acts, unlikely their insurance coverage will cover them, even
with a high deductible, because usually fines from illegal acts are excluded.

Most of us would agree the big barrel of lawyers has way too many bad apples.
Our system of freedoms allows the gypsies of that profession to seemingly run wild.
Just remember that when you need a lawyer for something legitimate, like a land purchase or
to help settle an estate, or to help get benefits for a forgotten vet, well I hope you find a good
honorable one. Because there are plenty of them out there. Apparently one had to be
careful looking though. Just like a good car mechanic.

Why do I defend lawyers? Well....both parents were lawyers and my older brother still is actively one. None do or have ever done personal injury, none
have ever chased anyone No criminal work. Mostly corporate contractual work, international intellectual property rights, and my older brother even successfully represented
the nation of the Philippines versus Westinghouse where their nuclear generator didn't work. When big business screws up, they have to pay for their mistakes.
Which does not justify first tier law firms charging over a thousand dollars an hour for a senior partner. Now that's an expensive clock, tick tock

The real stupidity is in the jury awards. So if you ever get on a jury, make sure justice is done, but not overdone. No bonanza for anyone.
Tort reform should be enacted. But have some drunk fool make me into a quadriplegic in a car accident, then the real question is what is that worth,
and should one third to one half of the hopefully justified award go to the law firms. Whose partners at the end of the year get amazing bonuses as they
share the huge financial kill brought in by all of their legal hunters. But if you want a license to steal, look no further than Wall Street.

I really enjoy going into Harbor Freight and have zero expections that everything I find there will really be a "quality tool" as advertised.
I think the right word here is hyperbole, basically marketing fluff to make you think you are getting a super good deal, an amazingly good deal actually.
When you really aren't. But then much of the same lower tier merchandise is also found in Northern Tools with a different paint job and thirty bucks more.
I think the real problem is the overactive marketing dept of Harbor Freight. They should keep it simpler. Just show the final price, not
all the razzmatazz. I can only wonder if we will see more restrained advertising in the future.

And please don't shoot all the lawyers. Some are really fine people, very bright, and devoted to their client's needs. And they have personal honor and
don't cross lines where only greed is involved.

I always watch my HF coupons and get the lowest price I can by studying, and think I paid a fair price for lower quality tools. So I don't think I was personally mistreated
so will not be claiming anything. I have to wonder though how many people who bought the one ton hydraulic lift for 169 and then next month saw the coupon mailer
sent out to Joe Schmoe for 99.99 in the latest Motorhome magazine for example. HF gives some of their best coupons to "strangers" reading boat and rv magazines.
I could never figure that out. So maybe they really need to revamp their marketing and keep it simpler. Time to turn the marketing fog machine off and let the value of their products
stand on their own.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #37  
"Quality tool" is meaningless. Every tool ever made has some kind of quality.

In years past a common ad was that the item had been "tested". Never a word about the test results.

Bruce
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #38  
Most of my tools are Craftsman, Makita, Bosch, etc.
When it's important to have a better tool, a more accurate or more powerful tool, when affordable I try
to get the better quality tool. Not all of us can just shop from the Grizzly or SK catalog...so I think HF serves a wonderful function
of basically displaying some of the best of what Chinese manufacturing has to offer.
You want German, Japanese, Canadian or US? Not the right store.

My favorite wind breaker is made by a company called Weatherproof. In Vietnam. Vietnam does clothing well.
So anymore, things can come from all around the world and placed in front of us either on a table or on the monitor screen.
But don't we all want Truth In Advertising from there?

Apparently Harbor Freight went over the line...
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #39  
"Quality tool" is meaningless. Every tool ever made has some kind of quality.

In years past a common ad was that the item had been "tested". Never a word about the test results.

Bruce

It is not meaningless. It very actively implies that it is a GOOD quality tool. No one is going to market "Crappy quality tool".
 

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