Harbor Freight lawsuit

   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #41  
I personally don't need the government to protect me from obvious sales gimmicks and we all as consumers of HF will pay the losses of the lawsuit, it'll just be passed on.
Well said. :thumbsup:
However, apparently today's generations aren't smart enough to figure that out and are dependent on someone else to do their thinking for them and need the government to hold their hand. A sad "state of affairs" we are surrounded by today. Unfortunately, we all suffer the consequences. :mad:
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #42  
That's why they shortened it to two words and left out the "crappy"!

If they had left it in they would not have gotten sued, but business would have slowed down, that is for sure.

That said the $12.00 cordless drill I bought from them has worked long enough that it was worth $12.00. We will see if I get $20 of use out of it :)
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #43  
The problem is gimmicks aren't allowed...nor is deceptive advertising. Truthful advertising is required. That's the law in most places I believe. And who is to enforce it? Yes we all pay for frivolous law suits, and yes there are way too many folks with legal degrees just looking to pounce on any opportunity to make money. They eat what they kill and and they want to kill some insurance backed game... if this legal action resulted in HF admitting to illegal acts, unlikely their insurance coverage will cover them, even with a high deductible, because usually fines from illegal acts are excluded. Most of us would agree the big barrel of lawyers has way too many bad apples. Our system of freedoms allows the gypsies of that profession to seemingly run wild. Just remember that when you need a lawyer for something legitimate, like a land purchase or to help settle an estate, or to help get benefits for a forgotten vet, well I hope you find a good honorable one. Because there are plenty of them out there. Apparently one had to be careful looking though. Just like a good car mechanic. Why do I defend lawyers? Well....both parents were lawyers and my older brother still is actively one. None do or have ever done personal injury, none have ever chased anyone No criminal work. Mostly corporate contractual work, international intellectual property rights, and my older brother even successfully represented the nation of the Philippines versus Westinghouse where their nuclear generator didn't work. When big business screws up, they have to pay for their mistakes. Which does not justify first tier law firms charging over a thousand dollars an hour for a senior partner. Now that's an expensive clock, tick tock The real stupidity is in the jury awards. So if you ever get on a jury, make sure justice is done, but not overdone. No bonanza for anyone. Tort reform should be enacted. But have some drunk fool make me into a quadriplegic in a car accident, then the real question is what is that worth, and should one third to one half of the hopefully justified award go to the law firms. Whose partners at the end of the year get amazing bonuses as they share the huge financial kill brought in by all of their legal hunters. But if you want a license to steal, look no further than Wall Street. I really enjoy going into Harbor Freight and have zero expections that everything I find there will really be a "quality tool" as advertised. I think the right word here is hyperbole, basically marketing fluff to make you think you are getting a super good deal, an amazingly good deal actually. When you really aren't. But then much of the same lower tier merchandise is also found in Northern Tools with a different paint job and thirty bucks more. I think the real problem is the overactive marketing dept of Harbor Freight. They should keep it simpler. Just show the final price, not all the razzmatazz. I can only wonder if we will see more restrained advertising in the future. And please don't shoot all the lawyers. Some are really fine people, very bright, and devoted to their client's needs. And they have personal honor and don't cross lines where only greed is involved. I always watch my HF coupons and get the lowest price I can by studying, and think I paid a fair price for lower quality tools. So I don't think I was personally mistreated so will not be claiming anything. I have to wonder though how many people who bought the one ton hydraulic lift for 169 and then next month saw the coupon mailer sent out to Joe Schmoe for 99.99 in the latest Motorhome magazine for example. HF gives some of their best coupons to "strangers" reading boat and rv magazines. I could never figure that out. So maybe they really need to revamp their marketing and keep it simpler. Time to turn the marketing fog machine off and let the value of their products stand on their own.

I can't quarrel with much of what you say and I don't paint all attorneys with a broad brush but also can see the fluff coming from HF or with any other widget manufacturer. If it's cheap then the product is likely cheaply made. I just received a box from HF today because I my homework to buy it at the right time.
We all can buy an item and see it on sale the following week, it happens all the time. My wife paid msrp for a new vehicle before we met and yet Joe Schmoe gets a thousand off for dickering. I'm in the market for a new car now but don't need it for another month and will wait til the end of the next month to be sure to get every cent off, that's all.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #44  
It wouldn't be worth the hassle.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #46  
The problem is gimmicks aren't allowed...nor is deceptive advertising. Truthful advertising is required.

I know you probably believe this and that is where you are naive. HF nor anybody else has been prosecuted for deception in advertising. It is done all the time - this is one more of those laws that is on the books and gives people a warm feeling but it is never enforced. Stores always raise prices right ahead of Christmas and then mark their stuff down to prices that were above what they were selling the things for two months prior. This is a common practice in retail and it has never been enforced.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #47  
The problem is gimmicks aren't allowed...nor is deceptive advertising. Truthful advertising is required.

I know you probably believe this and that is where you are naive. HF nor anybody else has been prosecuted for deception in advertising. It is done all the time - this is one more of those laws that is on the books and gives people a warm feeling ...

And those very laws make gullible people even more gullible, and as proof of that statement, look no further than the statement above.

I remember a woman telling me once, "Well, it must be true, because they aren't allowed to lie on TV."


Yet another example of a well-intended government overreach that actually hurts the very people it is supposed to protect. If everyone knew that advertisers were free to lie all day and all night, they would be on their guard and not so easily suckered.

Despite this easily proven fact, people will foam at the mouth at such a suggestion and indignantly exclaim that those of us who would prefer government to stop trying to be the big nanny are actually wanting people to be lied to.

It's these well-meaning do gooders that do the most harm. But all that seems ot matter to them is that they mean well. Actual disastrous results don't seem to bother them much.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #48  
If I see an item advertised "Comparable at $995.00, on sale for $129.00 less the standing 20% discount, why would I not think that HF is saving me $892?

Maybe because you are not gullible, and have a reasonable idea of what items are sold for?

Maybe because you speak English reasonably well and recognize that "Compare at $159.95!" isn't even a sentence, and conveys no actual meaning?


OR, maybe not. I guess you can just keep depending on the government to do your thinking for you.
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #49  
No one twisted my arm to go there always thought I got a fair deal otherwise I would not have made a purchase. I have no issues with Barh Harbah Freight. Made a purchase there today I am a happy Campah Bubb. I agree the Blood sucking lawyers are what's wrong with our Republic.

Fear of the unknown is greater than fear of the event. Norm David 1972
 
   / Harbor Freight lawsuit #50  
What do I get for pain suffering and the emotional stress that's been perpetrated on me and family, dog, cat and pet rock.......
 

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