Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak?

   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #81  
Oww, you beat me to what I was going to post! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I could not find the report I first read but here is another one, Corn Growers Reveal National Yield Contest Results - Farm Futures

What is interesting about this story is that the winning farm produced 454 bushels of cord per acre compared to the national average of 160 bushels per acre. The real surprise to me and the wifey was that the farmer was in VA and that the other farmers with over 400 bushels per acre were all in the south! :confused3: They were in VA, GA, and TX! I would have expected the highest yields to be in the midwest. The top growers where using No Till or Strip Till methods and the winner is using organic methods as well.

Still trying to figure out if anyone actually read the article that DFB posted? Nothing 'organic' about how he got his crop yields; he used hybrid seed, commercial pesticides, commercial fertilizers etc. That article read more like an advertisement for the soil amendments he was using. I believe no till and low till in farming started out as soil conservation techniques not organic techniques (although organic gardening was most certainly using those types of techniques long before farming was).

The difference between his yields and the average yield might be irrigation? In the summer I see news reports of 'corn belt' crops drying up due to little to no rain... Which leads me to believe some corn is raised 'dry land'. If it is irrigated rains don't matter much/as much.
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #82  
So this is the future...will big AG completely control farmers? It is the direction were headed. How much information is too much information?
"Imagine cows fed and milked entirely by robots. Or tomatoes that send an e-mail when they need more water. Or a farm where all the decisions about where to plant seeds, spray fertilizer and steer tractors are made by software on servers on the other side of the sea."
Personally having seen a robotic milking operation firsthand and compared to a operation where someone puts the milker on by hand, I am all for a robotic operation. The cows are happier as they can get milked when they want, it is safer for the workers (no need to chase cows when they need shots, a vet or whatnot as the milking machine can divert them to a holding pen after they get milked. No risk of getting kicked to try to milk the cows, no worker milking the wrong quarter and dumping a bunch of mastitis milk into the bulk tank, etc, etc, etc)
From what the farmer I talked to said, their milk production per cow is actually up since they put in the robotic milker.

This is what more and more of our agriculture may come to look like in the years ahead, as farming meets Big Data. There is no shortage of farmers and industry gurus who think this kind of smart farming could bring many benefits. Pushing these tools onto fields, the idea goes, will boost our ability to control this fiendishly unpredictable activity and help farmers increase yields even while using fewer resources.
Monsanto's Terrifying New Scheme: Massive Amounts of Data Collection | Alternet ;)
Is there a problem with farmers being able to use less resources to achieve the same or better results? I like the idea of a sprayer that shuts off part of its boom when it goes over a stream.

Aaron Z
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak?
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#83  
Is there a problem with farmers being able to use less resources to achieve the same or better results? I like the idea of a sprayer that shuts off part of its boom when it goes over a stream.

Aaron Z

As the article continues to say

"The big question is who exactly will end up owning all this data, and who gets to determine how it is used. On one side stand some of the largest corporations in agriculture, who are racing to gather and put their stamp on as much of this information as they can. Opposing them are farmers groups and small open-source technology start-ups, which want to ensure a farmers´data stays in the farmers control and serves the farmers interests".
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #84  
The farmers will have to take care that they don't become the hired hands on their own farms.

Once technology, which is not owned or controlled by the farmer, is integrated deeply enough, it's easy to become a slave to that. You may even be a well-paid slave, or not, but individual choice is lost. The outside manipulation of agriculture markets may be a good parallel to that thought.
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #85  
Yes Dan it be interesting to note what your grandfather wrote. Most folks don't realize just what great yields plants can produce with the right applications of fertilizer, N,P &K and some micro nutrients. And of course using hybridized varieties does also help. (especially with uniformity and size variation) I've said it before here with tomatoes 20lb per plant is an optimum yield to strive for with determinate cropping. That be 40 half pound tomatoes on every plant. Most folks be proud to get 10...tomatoes that is. :laughing: This summer I forgot I had hose running in a barrel of water with soluble fert I was mixing up, it overflowed for awhile into the garden there were two tomato plants nearby. It's unbelievable how much bigger and greener and productive those two were over the rest of the garden! :)

But of course the weeds got that much bigger too! ;)

There was a story in either Progressive Farmer, or maybe one of the farming "magazines" JD sends me, about fertilizing equipment that looked at a plant and then applied the correct amount of nutrients for that one single plant. The equipment minimizes the amount of fertilizer the farmer has to use which minimizes his expenses and maximized profits. The equipment should also greatly reduce if not eliminate nutrient runoff which affects water sources and wastes the farmers money.

I think it was in these same farming magazines where they were talking about how GPS controlled tractors allow very precise row placement which maximizes yield as well.

Disney World has an attraction at EPOCT in the Land Pavilion and there is a Behind the Seeds tour that shows what is going on behind the attraction. We have done this tour twice and will do it again in the future. Disney grows a variety of plants and veggies with several hydroponic techniques as well as has some aquaculture in several green houses that are part of, and behind, the attraction. This is really small scale in that it is not really feeding many people though they do use the produce in Disney restaurants. The last tour we took had a couple from Asheville, NC that owned a small produce operation and they were looking at what Disney was doing to use in their business. They asked quite a few questions and obviously had been doing research. I don't know the ECONOMICS of hydroponics but it sure is interesting.

I bought a text book on the hydroponics 20 years ago and we would love to have a green house providing fresh veggies in the winter. We had some land cleared two summers back and I have finally had some time to start cleaning up the mess. I have been cutting up the trees into firewood and got to a point where I could start building a burn pile over the holidays. Unfortunately, the winter rain has arrived the ground is a soggy, swampy mess. I was able to build a small pile but had to quit when I was making a mess with the tractor and it was becoming more and more likely I might actually get the tractor stuck. :rolleyes: Anywho, once the mess is cleaned up, we will expand the garden so that we have two garden spaces so we can rotate growing seasons as well as have a proper chicken run for the hens. We want to have a few fruit trees and build a green house as well which I think will use at least some hydroponics.

The store I buy my home brew supplies is also a garden supply. They have conventional yuppie garden supplies for people who live in the city but also have a huge selection of hydroponic supplies. About a third of the store is hydroponics. :confused3: I doubt the people buying the hydroponics are growing tomatoes. :laughing::laughing::laughing: They have equipment that will convert a closet into a grow room which seems like a pretty big expense to just grow tomatoes in a closet. What COULD people be growing in closets. :confused3::laughing::laughing::laughing: The store is in a university town. In fact, the store is part of a small chain of stores that in a few university towns. I wonder if that has anything to do with their target demographic for hydroponics? :D:D:D

Later,
Dan
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak?
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Tilapia, probably the least finicky fish to raise, likes water around 75*F minimum. Trout is doable with better water quality and cooler temps supposedly. Yellow perch can take cool water. Yellow perch love earth worms, so you could add vermiculture to the aquaponics.

http://www.growingpower.org/aquaponics.htm

I could see community-scale greenhouse and aquaponic operations that produce a lot of local food. There would be some economy of scale available. One family set-ups would be more difficult. It would be something like milking cows, someone has to tend to the thing on a fairly regular basis probably.

Dave your ahead of your time...or you already knew about this :rolleyes:

This month's Growing Magazine

Fish + Water = Veggies
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #87  
I think it was about 25 years ago when the use of Tilapia was really getting going that I called a guy pioneering aquaponics back East after seeing an article about his operation. The main items I remember about the conversation was his comments that it was not yet a firm science and that "you have to be ready to accidentally kill a lot of fish". Tilapia are freshwater fish from Africa, I remember at the time going to a restaurant and Tilapia was on the menu. The waitress described it as 'a Hawaiian sun fish', I had a good chuckle over that one.
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #88  
Dave your ahead of your time...or you already knew about this :rolleyes:

This month's Growing Magazine

Fish + Water = Veggies

I did some reading on hydroponics and aquaponics last year, just a looking around and thinking sort of thing.

The water temperature of 75F and above needed by tilapia is an energy challenge in the north. The fry to market size time forces you to get them through a winter. Greenhouses in the north are always going to be an energy challenge for a home grower to operate them year-round. Tilapia is not a very tasty fish IMO. I haven't eaten them much, so maybe I have a wrong impression.

A tastier fish that thrives in cooler water would be a better choice from the energy input perspective. That would allow shutting down the plant growing side of the operation to just those plants that can get through colder temps, for the heart of winter when heating costs are highest.

I notice the people in the article produce heat using an anthracite stoker furnace. I take that as they burn coal, which is not something I would do.

An outdoor wood boiler combined with earth-bermed passive solar building techniques would be my choice. The passive solar should reduce the wood heat requirement considerably, but I think it would still be needed. It is difficult/expensive to build a greenhouse that admits sufficient light for plants and passive heating while not loosing a lot of heat overnight and during cloudy days.

If enough engineering and tinkering went into it, a person could build motorized insulated sliding ceiling panels or something that controlled heat loss. Use solar pv to supplement sunlight and controls to decide which is optimal (sunlight or lamp light) during the day.

There needs to be some plan for taming energy costs in northern climates or it becomes cost-prohibitive. I think that is why three season high tunnels and hoop houses are popular, as opposed to year-round greenhouse operations, for home growers.

I notice FarmTek sells aquaponic kits now. https://www.farmtek.com/farm/suppli...supplies-ft_hydroponic_supplies;pg112663.html
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #89  
Tilapia is not a very tasty fish IMO. I haven't eaten them much, so maybe I have a wrong impression.

From what I remember when reading up on Tilapia it does not have much of it's own flavor but very readily absorbs flavors from what it is prepared with which makes it popular with chef's. In general I prefer a more bland fish than say Salmon which I get tired of easily.
 
   / Has Agriculture Reached Its Peak? #90  
The fact that Tilapia can live and thrive in brackish water is the real benefit with using them in aquaponics. Trout and salmon farms consume million of gallons of fresh water because they do not do well in recirculated water and need colder temperatures. Out west you find trout farms on/in small rivers which has the problem of their waste going downstream. There are some salmon farms here in Idaho that use Artesian wells but they also have the problem of effluent going out into rivers etc. Tilapia work well in the recirculating systems as the water doesn't have to be 'pure'.
 

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