Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales?

[Gale Hawkins]

Thanks Dave for explaining that so well.

 

[radman1]

Farm Subsidies, Free Trade, and the Doha Round | The Heritage Foundation

Duffster in KY a quarter billion dollars sounds like a lot of annual farm subsidies in the world based on this 2007 article.

On a serious note are most people clueless on these facts?

I have benefitted from them over the years and do not say they all should be cut out. I expect if this was not the case then all farmers would be looking at value more than color.:thumbsup:


Massive Subsidies Worldwide
Subsidies supporting agriculture producers are significant and widespread. WTO members report average subsidies totaling more than $221 billion per year,[1] a little more than 18 percent of global agricultural value added.[2] Based on World Bank and WTO data, the EU and the U.S. each contributed a little more than a third of the total subsidies in 2001.[3] A 2005 Cato Institute study indicates that farmers in Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries received $279 billion in some form of production support, or 30 percent of total farm income.[4] U.S. farmers received $46.5 billion from the American government, or 18 percent of total U.S. farm income.

Duffster read the full article, especially The Price of Failure part near the end.

You need to have a more current article. Many things have change since that article which was written in Feb 07. Higher income farmers now recieve $0 dollars in subsidies. Moderate income farmers recieve proportionally less than low income farmers. Most subsidies were based on a certain price. Don't quote me but for corn it was about $1.90/bushel. Corn is now in the $3.50/bushel territory and subsidies are minimal to none because farmers are above the base level. The subsidies were a way to keep the farmer from going bankrupt. Corn sold for many years in the late 90's and early 2000's below that price. Only in 07 did corn prices begin to consistantly get above $2. It did peak in late 07 and early 08 at near $7/bushel. Most of that was speculation in the commodity department due to the early decline in the rest of the economy. Half of the american farm bill is for food stamps which is lumped in the farm bill. The farm bill had been running around 10 billion but that was a few years ago. I do not know what it is currently. A good portion of the farm bill is also for CRP and set aside acres. Just like states, farmers have to follow rules or get no subsidies. They are told what land needs terracing, waterways, where and how to put in irrigation ect. A farmer cannot turn pasture land into farm land without approval. Can't remove a small dam built 40 years ago without their approval. If the farmer does not follow the rules, they get no subsidies, no break on hail insurance ect. Just like building a road or bridge or any other community project, if you don't follow the govt rules, the state will get no govt assistance.

 

[Johndeere3720]

Mahindra is no better than any other brand of tractor. They all have their pros and cons. Mahindra may be #1 in other counrtys but definatly not here in the US. I only know of 2 Mahindra dealers out here in the Pacific NW and I know of a LOT more Kubota, Deere, NewHolland dealers. Now the thing about if you bought a Mahindra here, the parts wouldnt be as accessable since the dealers are about an hour away where as Kubota, Deere, and NewHolland are 15 minutes away and typically have the parts in stock. I dont want to bash Mahindra since they have put a lot of hard work into their products.I know some Mahindra owners and they are just as happy with their tractors as i am with mine. If they get the job or chore done, it doesnt really matter to most buyers what color it is.

 

[ModMech]

We own a Kubota and I have looked SERIOUSLY at a Mahindra, there is no doubt they build a quality product, especially when you consider the price you pay for what you get.

However, the Deere dealer locally has a very good reputation and they are about as close as the Orange dealer. If I could get a 2wd in the size I want, I might just buy Green but I'll be damned if I will be forced into a 4x4 tractor just to get green.

The arguement that you should "buy american" honestly doesn't hold water. I'm not saying that it is not a noble idea, just impracticle. Are you only going to buy a tractor with a plant in your State, County and City too? Do you only buy groceries from your state? How about gas? My guess is that most of us will "buy american" until it causes us to give up something we WANT. In most states you could not get tobacco, alchohol, most food items (prepared) a car or tractor if you insisted on buying only what was built or grown in your state. At what point does a political boundry no longer matter, when it causes us to go without what we WANT or NEED.

If I want to buy green, it will more than likely have an engine made in Japan, axles from Italy, alternator from Japan or Germany and wire from all over the globe. That accounts for a LOT of manufacturing. Made in the USA is not just assembly, as many have pointed out. VERY few products are actually truely "made" in the USA. In fact, the neighbor in our old house made sheet metal components for Deere which were shipped to China for welding and then back for installation on the finnished products and paint.

 

[tractorboy5500]

Hey everyone, I have a Mahindra tractor for about 5 years now, at the time it had a better price for a 55 hp tractor, so i bought it. But this year JD has got there ducks in a row and i would almost say anyone can buy a JD cheaper than a Mahindra. Mahindra's have gone way up on there prices, not sure why, but i would think that this year sales is going to suck for them. If JD prices were right at the time i might of bought one.
As of this forum, not sure what all the fuss is about, JD has more line of tractors then Mahindra, and a few years ago JD was #1 and Mahindra was #4 as of tractor sales, I dont see that changing much, JD will always be ahead due to there high hp tractors and there small ones also, they make them very user friendly, I look at tractors alot over the years and JD seems to make all of there controlls easyer to reach and understand. My cousin bought a 5055 JD, it realy looks nice and he likes it alot. I think my next tractor might be a JD, i need about 65 to 75 hp for hay equipment, hope JD's prices or good at the time.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I find it amazing that Mahindra and JD are even considered on par by some. Years ago when I looked at one it did not even have power steering and really looked like a basic IH out of the 50's.

They clearly have been improving at a fast rate if they are a quality tractor at this time.

What is of concern about JD's future is so many think they can not/will not drop the ball. When you have a crude no name tractor closing ranks as fast as they are on JD today JD needs to be looking in the review mirror I expect.

 

[DavesTractor]

I find it amazing that Mahindra and JD are even considered on par by some. Years ago when I looked at one it did not even have power steering and really looked like a basic IH out of the 50's.

They clearly have been improving at a fast rate if they are a quality tractor at this time.

What is of concern about JD's future is so many think they can not/will not drop the ball. When you have a crude no name tractor closing ranks as fast as they are on JD today JD needs to be looking in the review mirror I expect.

The early Mahindra's were basically IH tractors and were very simple. Not finished real well and with few creature comforts, but reliable. A lot has changed in the last 20 years. We still have a simple no frills model line, but the majority of our sales are the utility or premium models, not the economy models, at least in the west.

 

[Rob-D]

Your Deere tractor and your Subaru car are no more American than Mahindra's as far as where the parts come from...

Mahindra is no different than Deere or Kubota...most of the manufacturing is done in India, Japan, China, Korea etc...etc... and assembly in the US...


Mahindra News & Events - press releases, articles and new product announcements

Read the small print.

60,000 sq. ft. with 40 employees. That's adding loaders not building tractors. Yes, Deere may get engines from Japan but the tractor says right on it "Assembled in the USA" So they may get an alternator from a foreign country but tthey put it on here. That's American workers and more than 40 of them. Same with Subaru. They get parts from other countries but they have an ASSEMBLY LINE here, they'rewelding frames together here, etc. Deere is stamping mower decks for garden tractors here, for example, is Mahindra doing that? Most likely not, you can't do it with 40 people.

Rob

 

[/pine]

Read the small print.

read the date..."2003"

 

[Rob-D]

read the date..."2003"

What's your point? Practices have changed since then?