Hay yield

[John Fitzgerald]

Neighbor only got 22 large round bales off of 6.4 acres of my hayfield today. That seems to me like a poor yield. I think the soil is wearing out. It gets turkey litter about once every 14-16 months or so.

 

[smstonypoint]

Well, a soil test couldn't hurt. Check with your local county Cooperative Extension office -- Free Soil Testing in Arkansas - Free soil testing for Arkansas Residents

Steve

 

[M5farms]

what kind of grass ? How many more cutting can you get this year .

Here that's about normal avg for each cutting . and if you get 3 then your doing very well and avg over 10 bales to the acre. Soil test is needed and Then fertilize to test . then at least 50# of N to every ton of hay removed

 

[Soggy Bottom Outdoors]

Here's one example from KY. My 15 acre, a measured not guessed 15, yielded 85 4X5 bales that weight 1000lb. The 20 year average is between 75 and 95 bales. This is of course the first cutting and will likely yield 1/2 to 2/3's that on a second cutting this fall with no additional fertilizer. Ph as of Sept of '17 was 6.4. In March of this year I broadcast a N-P-K of 60-70-90. 75% grass/25% legume. Grasses are KY 31 fescue, Potomac Orchardgrass, Perennial Ryegrass, Bluegrass, and Climax Timothy. Legumes are Medium and Kenland red clover and Will ladino clover. Also a very small percent Buffalo Alfalfa. Not bragging, but recordkeeping is recordkeeping and bales are bales. If interested I can go look up the protein and TDN levels of past years.

 

[John Fitzgerald]

First cutting is tall fescue. Second, third, and (sometimes) fourth cuts are Johnsongrass and Bermudagrass. I don't get anything out of it, but the fields get cut 3-4 times and don't grow up in tall weeds and bushes. I simply thought the yield was pretty low.

 

[M5farms]

First cutting is tall fescue. Second, third, and (sometimes) fourth cuts are Johnsongrass and Bermudagrass. I don't get anything out of it, but the fields get cut 3-4 times and don't grow up in tall weeds and bushes. I simply thought the yield was pretty low.

I dont know anything about fescue, All i have is bermuda and bahia , I can achieve those numbers with bermuda but it requires Inputs of NPK .

 

[smstonypoint]

I dont know anything about fescue, All i have is bermuda and bahia , I can achieve those numbers with bermuda but it requires Inputs of NPK .

And the removal rates (and needed replenishment rates to maintain yields) of NPK and other nutrients depend on the forage -- http://extension.missouri.edu/mcdonald/documents/compressed Hay Fertility1.pdf.

Steve

 

[M5farms]

And the removal rates (and needed replenishment rates to maintain yields) of NPK and other nutrients depend on the forage -- http://extension.missouri.edu/mcdonald/documents/compressed Hay Fertility1.pdf.

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Steve

My recommended rate is 50# of N per ton of hay removed. It is paramount to getting quality and quantity off of a field . I see so many people mining the fields and always looking for more hay ground when they could do more with less if they simply applied according to soil test and actually tried to build up the soil.

 

[Oldoak]

Well, a soil test couldn't hurt. Check with your local county Cooperative Extension office -- Free Soil Testing in Arkansas - Free soil testing for Arkansas Residents
Steve

That is the best advice anyone can contribute, which applies to anyone growing crops anywhere. And the examples in other comments can be an eye opener.

A soil analysis actual saves money and increases crop production. Saves money by telling you just what and how much lime, fertilizer, calcium, etc. is required for the particular crops being raised. Over fertilizing or too much of one nutrient actually hurts production and wastes money.

When we maintained an orchard, I had a soil analysis done every three years and a leaf analysis done every 6 years. Of course an orchard is different than a hay field. The leaf analysis told the story of just what nutrients the trees were absorbing and how much and what they were lacking. Wasn't free, but worth the cost.

 

[smstonypoint]

That is the best advice anyone can contribute, which applies to anyone growing crops anywhere. And the examples in other comments can be an eye opener.

.......

When we maintained an orchard, I had a soil analysis done every three years and a leaf analysis done every 6 years. Of course an orchard is different than a hay field. The leaf analysis told the story of just what nutrients the trees were absorbing and how much and what they were lacking. Wasn't free, but worth the cost.

Many (most?) land-grant universities offer soil- and other-testing services for nominal fees, and in some cases the soil tests are free to instate residents. Here's a listing of the testing services offered by Clemson -- I suspect other land-grants offer similar services.

Steve

 

[John Fitzgerald]

Last year, just as an experiment, after the second cut I marked off a 40 ft x 40 ft area and put 100 pounds of lime in and a good quantity of lawn fertilizer 29-3-4. By the time for the third cut, I could not tell any difference in growth between my test plot and the rest of the field. Soil test had indicated a need for lime and N. The field is mostly what is called "crawfish land" around here. It is poorly drained during the wet months, but cracks up during drought. We had plenty of rain last year while doing my "test plot".

I hate the turkey litter applications that the neighbor does, but I guess it's either that or mow it myself, or let it grow up. He doesn't want to buy pelletized fertilizer, gets the litter free, but it has bones in it from dead turkey chicks that didn't get picked up, which my dog sometimes picks up.

Wife said she couldn't stand it grown up in weeds and bushes.

 

[smstonypoint]

I hate the turkey litter applications that the neighbor does, but I guess it's either that or mow it myself, or let it grow up. ......

Wife said she couldn't stand it grown up in weeds and bushes.

An alternative would be to plant pines -- Managing Pine Trees in Arkansas - Arkansas Pine Tree management.

Steve

 

[Soggy Bottom Outdoors]

I'm afraid my post may have came off as a bit arrogant which was not my intent. The thread contains a lot of useful info and advice. Here's a couple things to consider. When you talk fertilizer talk "units" not pounds. Most soil samples will give you recommendations in units. Lets say your sample calls for 46 units of Nitrogen per acre and you use Urea as the N source and it's 46% that will equal 100lbs of Urea per acre. Ask whoever you get to do the soil sample weather they are on a 3 year or 5 year build up. Most soil samples in KY are ran through U of K and they use a 5 year plan. A and L and Waters Labs uses a 3 year plan and will likewise recommend more fertilizer. Somewhere near 25% legume, most times red clover, is recommended in hay fields. Even though legumes will add N to the soil it wont add enough to feed itself and get top notch grass yields. Will N hurt established clover? U of K research shows that red clover does not persist as well in todays soil weather N is added or not. The microbe makeup has changed. Hope this is helpful. Holler back.

 

[M5farms]

I'm afraid my post may have came off as a bit arrogant which was not my intent. The thread contains a lot of useful info and advice. Here's a couple things to consider. When you talk fertilizer talk "units" not pounds. Most soil samples will give you recommendations in units. Lets say your sample calls for 46 units of Nitrogen per acre and you use Urea as the N source and it's 46% that will equal 100lbs of Urea per acre. Ask whoever you get to do the soil sample weather they are on a 3 year or 5 year build up. Most soil samples in KY are ran through U of K and they use a 5 year plan. A and L and Waters Labs uses a 3 year plan and will likewise recommend more fertilizer. Somewhere near 25% legume, most times red clover, is recommended in hay fields. Even though legumes will add N to the soil it wont add enough to feed itself and get top notch grass yields. Will N hurt established clover? U of K research shows that red clover does not persist as well in todays soil weather N is added or not. The microbe makeup has changed. Hope this is helpful. Holler back.

My soil test shows # and I have always figured in pounds . 46-0-0 it takes 217# per acre to give you 100# recommendation . Other parts of the country may use units but I suspect its just an alternative for pounds

 

[StuartDK45SE]

My soil test shows # and I have always figured in pounds . 46-0-0 it takes 217# per acre to give you 100# recommendation . Other parts of the country may use units but I suspect its just an alternative for pounds

My soil analysis, done by Texas A&M University, has always come back in recommendations in pounds per acre as well.

 

[smstonypoint]

My soil test shows # and I have always figured in pounds . 46-0-0 it takes 217# per acre to give you 100# recommendation . Other parts of the country may use units but I suspect its just an alternative for pounds

Just curious. Are you using the University of Florida lab?

Steve

 

[M5farms]

Just curious. Are you using the University of Florida lab?

Steve

Auburn University

 

[smstonypoint]

Auburn University

Per Lewis Grizzard -- Clemson without a lake.

Steve

 

[M5farms]

Per Lewis Grizzard -- Clemson without a lake.

Steve

well , I just cant stand to send money to GAYtors even tho the they have a top notch ag program.

GO NOLES.

 

[smstonypoint]

GO NOLES.

Oh my. Showing my willpower, i will resist the temptation to cite Steve Spurrier's definition of FSU.

Steve