heard through the grapevine

[RoyJackson]

Roy,
I think alot of their market was for small contractors and some of these guys are hit the hardest in residential construction.

Good point!
The only question I have is, since Deere must recognize this recession will pass, should they drop a machine that was selling OK prior to the downturn...or, was it selling in adequate numbers before the economic downturn? (rhetorical question)

 

[arsenix2001]

Went into town today for some disc mower parts. The JD manager confirmed the info being discussed here.

According to him; Deere "marketing geniuses" have defined the market niche that the 110TLB falls into as the "Bobcat Line".

That is; more buyers in today's market are inclined to purchase both a Skid-steer AND a Mini-Ex instead of a rubber-tired TLB. He also mentioned that overall sales of TLB's is way down but that Deere was not planning to scale back on the "big Iron" TLB's.

Said that Mini-Ex's and excavator's in general are "taking over the world"!

AKfish

Id have to agree 100%. I started out with a tlb and quickly found it couldnt do half of what I needed excavation wise. Sold it and bought a mini and skid steer, best decision I had ever made. A tlb that size is great for a prop owner or maybe a pipe contractor (but why not just get a used 310) but for residential building construction, the manueverability and productivity of the mini/skid combo cant be beat. Just more trailer time occasionally, although i found you can move quite a bit of spoils with a 5 ton mini around a small site.

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

I suspect that the L45 has a better price point, and equal or better specs. I know the L39s I have looked at closely did not have the same build quality as the 110 TLB. Haven't looked at a L45 up close & personal, but the price alone could kill the 110 TLB.

I wonder if the ones in the field are going to become collector's items or orphans?

An l39 and L45 are the same machine. I believe the only differences are in hp and transmission type. But they're the same frame. I think they spec real close to a 110 but physically they're just a bit smaller.

Matt

 

[dfkrug]

Wow, that leaves Kubota and Yanmar in this small industrial tractor
niche. The L39 has been discontinued as expected.

The Yanmar CBL40 is a serious competitor. It even had a cameo
appearance in 2009's movie, Happy Tears, starring Rip Torn.

 

[bluechip]

The CBL40 is a nice machine, we have been renting one for 3 years with only one major repair to front differential, most likely due to 4wd operation on pavement by a renter. I understand that a lot of the components of the JD 110 are/were made by Yanmar so this could just be the result of the yanmar/deere split. I have heard that Cub Cadet Yanmar dealers may get a version of the CBL40. IT would seem odd to drop a machine for small contractors right when the recovery is taking hold (Yes It Is, I just know it has to be).

 

[AKfish]

An l39 and L45 are the same machine. I believe the only differences are in hp and transmission type. But they're the same frame. I think they spec real close to a 110 but physically they're just a bit smaller.

Matt

I wanted a larger machine than the L35 or the L39 when I was looking for a heavier-duty TLB than the JD 970 I owned at the time.

After sitting in the seat and working the controls - neither of the smaller Kubota's matched up to the JD 110 - IMO.

Never had the opportunity to check out the L48 - but from my impressions from folk's on the Kubota forum - it would have been a "neck-and-neck" competition with the 110. ('Course I've also since read of the frustration that some owner's have had with the gear ratios and the spread between the ranges with the transmission on the L48, too.)

Checked into the M59, briefly. Got a price quote... and spilled coffee down the front of my shirt!! :shocked: With all the bells and whistle's I wanted - it was within striking distance of a new JD 310! Ridiculous...

AKfish

 

[SixHoeBob]

Kubota needs to come out with a next generation L35 i.e. L35B to fill the gap between the B26 and L45. Deere needs to keep the 110 and come out with a 210. There is a place for CTLBs. A 310J is a very large machine.

 

[jenkinsph]

Kubota needs to come out with a next generation L35 i.e. L35B to fill the gap between the B26 and L45. Deere needs to keep the 110 and come out with a 210. There is a place for CTLBs. A 310J is a very large machine.

I have considered buying a 210LJ for landscape work, don't know if Deere has a hoe available for it though. Nice beefy machine for my uses.

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

It just seems strange that kubota has mulitple models of tlb is there's no market for them. I think Deere is making a huge mistake here. I've been on the verge of buying a 110 for the last few years. I've waited to see them make improvements to it an finally nuy one, well guess what now I get to buy and orange tlb. Silly move.

Matt

 

[SixHoeBob]

I have considered buying a 210LJ for landscape work, don't know if Deere has a hoe available for it though. Nice beefy machine for my uses.

Without researching it, it looks like a 210LJ is the same tractor/loader as a 310J.
The 210 has a 3pt instead of the backhoe. My thinking is that there is a market for a 50-55hp TLB. The 210LJ is really to big for landscape work around houses, and on slopes. 40hp is plenty for a landscape tractor.