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[AKfish]

Kubota needs to come out with a next generation L35 i.e. L35B to fill the gap between the B26 and L45. Deere needs to keep the 110 and come out with a 210. There is a place for CTLBs. A 310J is a very large machine.

Yup... x2 here.

If I were a small landscape contractor or small building contractor working remodels, additions, outbuildings, etc. would I really want to stick my neck out on both a SS and a mini-X with a sufficient trailer and truck...

Nope! Or a young start-up? Don't think so...

You could sink $150,000 into that rolling stock without going very big or very elaborate.

I'd guess that Kubota and Yanmar are licking their lips - small meal or not - *** dourve's are one step closer to a bigger meal!

AKfish

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Kubota needs to come out with a next generation L35 i.e. L35B to fill the gap between the B26 and L45. Deere needs to keep the 110 and come out with a 210. There is a place for CTLBs. A 310J is a very large machine.

The L39/L45 is the replacment to the L35. The gap between the two is a bit large... but how many models can you support in this segment?

I do wonder if Deere dropping the 110 is also rooted in their parting ways with Yanmar?

 

[Scooby074]

The L39/L45 is the replacment to the L35. The gap between the two is a bit large... but how many models can you support in this segment?

I do wonder if Deere dropping the 110 is also rooted in their parting ways with Yanmar?

Deere's parting ways with yanmar I didnt know that. Who's going to be making their CUT's? Are they taking them in house?

 

[Verticaltrx]

Yup... x2 here.

If I were a small landscape contractor or small building contractor working remodels, additions, outbuildings, etc. would I really want to stick my neck out on both a SS and a mini-X with a sufficient trailer and truck...

Nope! Or a young start-up? Don't think so...

You could sink $150,000 into that rolling stock without going very big or very elaborate.

I'd guess that Kubota and Yanmar are licking their lips - small meal or not - *** dourve's are one step closer to a bigger meal!

AKfish

I am a small contractor as you describe, and I agree fully. I have looked at the mini-ex/skid steer route and it is just to expensive to be profitable for someone who excavating is only a small part of the business. Not to mention the hassle of transporting two machines. My next purchase will be either a hoe for my B3200 or a B21/L35. I looked at the JD 110 a few years ago, seems like a good overall package but was a little larger than I wanted.

As someone else mentioned, it might be that it was kinda an in between size machine, overshadowed by the 310 and overpriced for the smaller contractor. I know a few small contractors around here (and at least a couple municipalities) that use small 30hp compact tractors with backhoes. Don't see many with machines the size of the 110, at that point most go straight for a full size TLB.

 

[BleedGreen]

I do wonder if Deere dropping the 110 is also rooted in their parting ways with Yanmar?

Yanmar never made the 110TLB, although it does have a Yanmar engine. The 110TLB was based off the Large Frame 4000 Series - 4510, 4610, 4710. While the backhoe assembly, subframe and loader were purpose built by Deere exclusively for the 110TLB. Other than the hood and additional hydraulics everything else was essentially a 4610.

And who says that the two are parting ways? And... what excatly does parting ways mean? The only all Yanmar built tractors that are left are the 2000 Series - and we have already lost the 2305. The New 1 Series are Deere built with Yanmar engines. The current 3E and 3x20 Series are Deere built with Yanmar engines. (the 1 Series and 3E Series also have Deere transmissions) While the 4x20 Series are Deere built with Deere engines. So again, what does parting ways mean? I dont see Deere using anything other than Yanmar engines in the smaller CUT machines anytime soon. Oops I almost forgot the venerable 3005 (790) and 4005 (990) which are still completely built by Yanmar for Deere.

 

[Duffster]

I do wonder if Deere dropping the 110 is also rooted in their parting ways with Yanmar?

Yanmar never made the 110TLB, although it does have a Yanmar engine. The 110TLB was based off the Large Frame 4000 Series - 4510, 4610, 4710. While the backhoe assembly, subframe and loader were purpose built by Deere exclusively for the 110TLB. Other than the hood and additional hydraulics everything else was essentially a 4610.

And who says that the two are parting ways? And... what excatly does parting ways mean? The only all Yanmar built tractors that are left are the 2000 Series - and we have already lost the 2305. The New 1 Series are Deere built with Yanmar engines. The current 3E and 3x20 Series are Deere built with Yanmar engines. (the 1 Series and 3E Series also have Deere transmissions) While the 4x20 Series are Deere built with Deere engines. So again, what does parting ways mean? I dont see Deere using anything other than Yanmar engines in the smaller CUT machines anytime soon. Oops I almost forgot the venerable 3005 (790) and 4005 (990) which are still completely built by Yanmar for Deere.

Thanks for setting the record straight. :thumbsup:

 

[Scooby074]

Thanks for the clarification BG.

 

[RoyJackson]

Oops I almost forgot the venerable 3005 (790) and 4005 (990) which are still completely built by Yanmar for Deere.

Personally, I doubt Deere stops buying engines and other components from Yanmar. Sourcing out complete tractors (like the 790/3005 and 990/4005) may end, I suppose...
For one thing, I don't see the Cub Cadet/Yanmar partnership being overly successful...and I don't see Yanmar setting up it's own dealership network in the US or Canada.

The 790/3005 and 990/4005 tractors have had incredibly long manufacturing lives. Both go back to the late 1980's (as 770 and 970, respectively), at least. I don't think Deere has sold any other tractors that long. Definitely no other compacts...
I'd hate to see either tractor go as they are both very simple and robust machines.

 

[AKfish]

Personally, I doubt Deere stops buying engines and other components from Yanmar. Sourcing out complete tractors (like the 790/3005 and 990/4005) may end, I suppose...
For one thing, I don't see the Cub Cadet/Yanmar partnership being overly successful...and I don't see Yanmar setting up it's own dealership network in the US or Canada.

The 790/3005 and 990/4005 tractors have had incredibly long manufacturing lives. Both go back to the late 1980's (as 770 and 970, respectively), at least. I don't think Deere has sold any other tractors that long. Definitely no other compacts...
I'd hate to see either tractor go as they are both very simple and robust machines.

Agreed. Great tractors.

The 110 is a great machine. Extremely rugged and versatile. Phenomenal "Swiss Army Knife" tractor!

However, there may be some "end-game" manuvering with Deere and Yanmar over the 110 and the entry of the CBL40 into the North American market.

Why would there be discussions about modifying the current 4000 series machines with a HD construction loader and hoe to compete in the marketplace against the "Bobcat Line" when the 110 is not (allegedly) competitive? Makes no sense...

Of course, I believe that the 110 was positioned to fit the market for small contractors, landscapers, landowners and start-up businesses that do not have the capital resources (or desire) to buy into the "Bobcat Line".

Others have opined that the 110 is too big and expensive for that market niche and that the 30hp TLB is really where the market "sweet spot" is at for those folk's.

Could be... I know that when I tried the smaller TLB's (I rented a B21.. IIRC) and looked over the L35 and L39 - I wanted more and was willing to spend a bit more to get it.

AKfish

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

I was talking with a large upper midwest dealer the other day and asked him about this subject. He chuckled and told that 110's sat on the lot for way too long and that the housing contractors were buying them like hot cakes before the econo bust. But they haven't been able to give them away since. I believe this dealer has 10 stores in there market and this is the scenario at all of there dealerships. It seems to me that they could have tried to improve the product(like offering a cab maybe) to broaden the potential buyers. The 4000 are a great line but loader/hoe wise don't compare with the 110 and any attempts by Deere to claim otherwise are silly.

Matt