Help...shoudnt the tires spin ???

[cvcman]

Ok I was trying to pull some OLD OVERGROWN Yew bushes out with my 2025...I had it in 4 wheel drive and pushed against it with the bucket while driving forward trying to push it over...it stopped the tractor but the tires were not spinning...I was on solid ground but shouldn't it have the power to spin the tires if it can push forward ???

 

[knightrider955]

The answer to that is No. These 2025's are pretty impressive little tractors but they aren't that powerful pushing. I went through this a week ago. Slowly brought my loader up against a 4 inch diameter tree stump and tried to push it over. I had it in low range and 4x4. Wouldn't move it. Tractor just sat there with no tire spin. However once I backed away from the stump 3 feet and then ran at it, it pushed it over like it wasn't even there. So you just got to get a little running start at it.

 

[cvcman]

I had it in hi range...dang...put it in low...different story

The answer to that is No. These 2025's are pretty impressive little tractors but they aren't that powerful pushing. I went through this a week ago. Slowly brought my loader up against a 4 inch diameter tree stump and tried to push it over. I had it in low range and 4x4. Wouldn't move it. Tractor just sat there with no tire spin. However once I backed away from the stump 3 feet and then ran at it, it pushed it over like it wasn't even there. So you just got to get a little running start at it.

 

[knightrider955]

High range is for transportation only and should never be used for doing any work. Mine is always in Low range.

 

[Rustyiron]

I take it that it's a hydro. and not a "gear" transmission?

 

[cvcman]

It is a hydro,does that make a big diff

UOTE=Rustyiron;4225348]I take it that it's a hydro. and not a "gear" transmission?[/QUOTE]

 

[4570Man]

I can't spin the tires in high. With 3,500 pounds of ballast I also can't spin in medium range. In low I can spin with the ballast.

 

[ozley]

I wouldn't go ramming things to hard. There have reports on this forum about having done that and parts of the loader pivot points bending. It not a bulldozer.

 

[k0ua]

It is a hydro,does that make a big diff

UOTE=Rustyiron;4225348]I take it that it's a hydro. and not a "gear" transmission?

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YES.. Hydro transmissions have a relief valve. If you are in a higher range and come up against an immovable object (like a big tree) the pressure will build in the hydro pump section until the Pressure relief valve opens.

With a gear transmission either the tires will spin, or if traction is good, the engine will just bog down and die.

If you are in Low range most hydro systems will spin the tires, unless traction is extremely good, for instance on rough concrete or something like that, then the PRV could still open even in LOW range. Of course if the PRV is set to open too soon, you might not get all possible torque to the ground.

Rember if you have a 3 range hydro.. HI is just for tractor transport, No work. Med, is for light to medium work with higher top speed needed. Low range is for Heavy work with lower top speeds needed.

Two speed hydro's are a compromise.. You will need to use HI range at times for some light work to get the speed you may need. LO range for heavy work at lower speeds.

 

[4570Man]

YES.. Hydro transmissions have a relief valve. If you are in a higher range and come up against an immovable object (like a big tree) the pressure will build in the hydro pump section until the Pressure relief valve opens. With a gear transmission either the tires will spin, or if traction is good, the engine will just bog down and die. If you are in Low range most hydro systems will spin the tires, unless traction is extremely good, for instance on rough concrete or something like that, then the PRV could still open even in LOW range. .[/QUOTE] Maybe on a Kioti. I have yet to find a surface my Kubota can't spin on including pavement and concrete.

 

[peter3759]

YES.. Hydro transmissions have a relief valve. If you are in a higher range and come up against an immovable object (like a big tree) the pressure will build in the hydro pump section until the Pressure relief valve opens. With a gear transmission either the tires will spin, or if traction is good, the engine will just bog down and die. If you are in Low range most hydro systems will spin the tires, unless traction is extremely good, for instance on rough concrete or something like that, then the PRV could still open even in LOW range. .

Maybe on a Kioti.dde04dde04 I have yet to find a surface my Kubota can't spin on including pavement and concrete.[/QUOTE]



What size? Hydrostatic drive? I know on my 4041H most of the time I have enough traction where I can't spine the tires even in Low (4wd)!

 

[Industrial Toys]

A loader was never designed for this anyway. Unless you are talking about some very rotten stump, it just generally does not work, can be damaging to the loader and dangerous too.

 

[murphy1244]

YES.. Hydro transmissions have a relief valve. If you are in a higher range and come up against an immovable object (like a big tree) the pressure will build in the hydro pump section until the Pressure relief valve opens. With a gear transmission either the tires will spin, or if traction is good, the engine will just bog down and die. If you are in Low range most hydro systems will spin the tires, unless traction is extremely good, for instance on rough concrete or something like that, then the PRV could still open even in LOW range. .

Maybe on a Kioti. I have yet to find a surface my Kubota can't spin on including pavement and concrete.[/QUOTE]

Cause Kubotas are too light.:laughing:

 

[Woodshaver]

The tires will dig and spin on dry ground in low on my XR4046H Agree, ramming things to get them to move is not a great idea, tempting, but the momentum shock load can damage many things.

 

[knightrider955]

On these XJ 2025's high range is very high. I can mow in low range and still have plenty of pedal left to go faster if needed. As far as ramming I wouldn't, but backing up a few feet for a little extra pushing power is fine for any tractor worth its soul.

 

[ozley]

This owner said he was only pressing against a cedar stump.

 

[k0ua]

YES.. Hydro transmissions have a relief valve. If you are in a higher range and come up against an immovable object (like a big tree) the pressure will build in the hydro pump section until the Pressure relief valve opens. With a gear transmission either the tires will spin, or if traction is good, the engine will just bog down and die. If you are in Low range most hydro systems will spin the tires, unless traction is extremely good, for instance on rough concrete or something like that, then the PRV could still open even in LOW range. .

Maybe on a Kioti. I have yet to find a surface my Kubota can't spin on including pavement and concrete.[/QUOTE]

Mine too in LO range, but I have heard of some reported on the forum (likely with PRV's set too low) that wont spin the tires under some traction circumstances. Mine wont spin the tires when in 4wd and HI range even in gravel if I push up against the immovable object. Of course the amount of ballast in the tires and the 3pt have a great bearing on this situation also.. Kubota's are lighter than Kioti's for the same size tractor in stock trim.

 

[k0ua]

The tires will dig and spin on dry ground in low on my XR4046H Agree, ramming things to get them to move is not a great idea, tempting, but the momentum shock load can damage many things.

Ramming trees is a great way to get a loose or dead limb down on your head too!

I have pushed over a lot of trees in my time with the FEL, and I make it a point to never "rock" a tree. Rocking one back and forth with much vigor can easily break off a dead limb.. Raming one is just asking for trouble from the tree dropping a limb, and possible damage to your equipment.. On large trees or anything that looks like it may have a dead limb I will string together several log chains, and pull it over. That way I am way out of harms way of falling tree. Even that has some danger.. You gotta use common sense. No ramming, no jerking, and use a big enough chain not likely to break.

 

[Rustyiron]

Ramming trees is a great way to get a loose or dead limb down on your head too!

Yup. That's how I got my first (and only) dent in the hood, just slowly and lightly put pressure on a dead ash to aid in the felling direction, a 2' or so stub found my sheet metal!.

 

[k0ua]

Yup. That's how I got my first (and only) dent in the hood, just slowly and lightly put pressure on a dead ash to aid in the felling direction, a 2' or so stub found my sheet metal!.

yep sneak up on them at just creep speed, but if any look like they have any dead on them at all, I pull them over from a great distance. I will probably make a mistake and get a limb some day, but so far I have evaded damage.