Help with roundup mixing.

   / Help with roundup mixing. #31  
Does seem a warm sunny day after a Spring Rain is ideal...
 
   / Help with roundup mixing. #32  
I recently tried 5% vinegar, salt and a bit of soap mix and sprayed my whole driveway. It killed the grass and weeds within a day, they all turned brown and wilted, you could see the leaves burnt where the mixture had hit them. This was a couple weeks ago, I noticed that there was green starting to show about a week after so I sprayed it again which produced the same result.
This morning, roughly three weeks after the initial spray I just noticed, green starting again so maybe there's no residual action in the vinegar/salt solution neither.
It is better than nothing and a far sight cheaper than Roundup as a 4L bottle of vinegar is under CAN2$ and the salt is under a buck not to mention it's probably a bit safer too. I intend to spray it a few more times to see if it eventually will last.....................Mike

It irritates me that the term "Roundup" has become just like "Kleenex". The patent has expired. I don't buy the name brand stuff...

I just sprayed my drive yesterday with glyphosate. I'm down to about 1/3 of the 2 gallon jug (41% I think) and was watching videos of the vinegar/salt/dish soap mix alternative. Looks interesting and I may try it. Gly has no residual either, so I spray every month or two.
 
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   / Help with roundup mixing. #33  
My go-to for along time was Ortho Triox as one application at the right time had me covered... unlike Roundup that requires several
 
   / Help with roundup mixing. #34  
Is it really cost effective when repeat applications are required?

I found that Ortho Brush B Gon was very effective on poison ivy. Only needed to lightly mist the leaves to kill it in one application. The active ingredient is Triclopyr.
 
   / Help with roundup mixing. #35  
Never knew about the hard water issues.
Learn something new everyday.
 
   / Help with roundup mixing. #36  
My Go-TO-KILL-ANYTHING formula is 4 oz./gallon of Tractor Supply FarmWorks 53.8% Glyphosate and 1.5 oz./gallon Remedy Ultra. This combination takes care of just about anything on my private property in National forest.
 
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#37  
Buried somewhere in the detailed label are instructions on water quality. It does make a difference.

If you have hard water, make sure that you add a water conditioner like ammonium sulfate (IIRC, it is 1.7lbs/gal, and get it fully dissolved in the water before adding glyphosate.). The ammonium sulfate helps keep the glyphosate from being inactivated by the calcium in the hard water, and the ammonium ions make glyphosate more effective, so it is a two for one. For an oily leaf plant like poison ivy, I would certainly use a surfactant.

All the best,

Peter
How sure are you do the 1.7 lbs/gal for the ammonium sulfate? That sounds like too much.
 
   / Help with roundup mixing. #38  
How sure are you do the 1.7 lbs/gal for the ammonium sulfate? That sounds like too much.
Actually, pretty sure. I found that it even helped our softened water due to the residual carbonate ions in our softened water. (Water softeners only remove significant amounts of calcium and magnesium.) All of the other ions come along for the ride and can cause issues with glyphosate absorption.

AMS works two ways; one by making the glyphosate more absorbable by plants by masking the calcium and magnesium ions that tend to make the roundup insoluble and therefore unavailable to the plants, and two, by providing a burst of available nitrogen that encourages rapid leaf growth.

Some sites allow up to half of that, but if you look at the original papers, the higher dose is what is most effective. Harder water benefits from the higher dosing more than water that is more pure. Again, given that you are having issues, I would start at the 1.7lbs/gallon of final mix, and once you have baseline effectiveness, you could titrate it back down, if you want. For me, my time is valuable enough that I don't like to respray, so I mix at the higher level. AMS is cheap.

To mix: Add most of the water first, then add the ammonium sulfate, mix, and when the ammonium sulfate is fully dissolved, add the glyphosate.

You can read more here;

There is a web calculator, if you want to plug in your specific water quality values to get the minimum ammonium sulfate level.
I couldn't get the calculator to work for me, but perhaps it works for you.

One note: glyphosate works by preventing water absorption in the roots, so leaves have to absorb the glyphosate, the glyphosate has to get moved to the roots, and then there needs to be enough water demand (heat, rapid growth, etc.) to dehydrate the plant to kill it. No absorption, no heat, no growth, or lots of rain after the application and it won't work well. Adding surfactant really helps cut through the leaf oils for good absorption for oily leaves like poison ivy, poison oak, etc.

All the best,

Peter
 
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#39  
Ok thanks. We have a water softener that I will use from now on. I’ve also heard it not 100% soft water also, this is from reading on water spotting on cars. I’ll probably try a level lower than 1.7 lb per gallon, maybe half that to start out.
 
   / Help with roundup mixing. #40  
You are right, warm water will definitely increase the absorption of herbicide but it will also increase the potential for herbicide drift to neighboring plants that aren't a target, so be careful. Another trick when spraying around flowers and shrubs is to cover the flower or shrub with a bucket, blanket, or whatever before you spray herbicides in close proximity to it.
A piece of 8" stove pipe will protect small shrubs and trees from overspray. Even a hunk of cardboard will protect plants you don't want to spray, though you need three hands, one for the wand, one for the sprayer, and one for the cardboard.
 

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