Here we go again with the gas prices.

[chkntrktr]

The libs are going to attack you on this:whistleblower:

Maybe, but facts is facts. My gas mileage is less using ethanol, and taking food from the food chain makes what is left cost more, and if food corn costs more then won't corn for ethanol cost more?

 

[lockhaven]

I agree with you sir, a few things that I have read make me think it is all planned. I once researched making my own ethanol one of the things mentioned was that the mash left over was very good feed for steers. Then the company 'food first' i think was the name made ethanol for the Indy 500 with the by products of corn after the food was made. makes you wonder what is going on.

 

[cqaigy2]

Using food to make gasoline is stupid. Thank congress and other pork barrel mentality for pushing to increase profits of a few huge agribusinesses at the expense of us tax payers.

 

[alchemysa]

You don't know when you are well off.
In Britain and France I pay over $8 a gallon (US gallon) for fuel. I fill up my diesel VW Passat estate and it costs me nearly $150, but it would run for 900 miles on a motorway at a steady 70mph on that - and it can do nearly 140mph if that is what you are looking for. Why not try smaller more fuel efficient vehicles?

$8 a gallon!! Jeez I thought we had it bad.

Todays prices in my home town in Australia...

Petrol (Thats gas to you.) $1.33 Australian per litre... thats US$5.25 per US gallon.

Diesel $1.41 Australian per litre .....thats US$5.60 per US Gallon.

 

[chkntrktr]

Cattle Fed Byproducts Of Ethanol Production Harbor Dangerous E. Coli Bacteria

I hadn't even thought about the by-products from ethanol production. Evidently there is enough goody left in the mash to feed cattle and poultry but not without problems. The article I linked is from 2007 so maybe some of that has been worked out.

It still doesn't make sense to take food products to make a product with questionable or less than favorable results.

 

[vtsnowedin]

Although you can feed spent distillers grain to cattle and it is the best thing for distillers to do with them they are not as high quality feed as the raw grain was when it went into the mash. Much of the carbohydrates and sugars in the grain have been converted into ethanol and cooked off leaving a very lean feed for the cattle. But a cow doesn't mind and as long as they are priced accordingly to their nutrient value remaining its a good deal for both distiller and the cattleman. If the distiller couldn't sell them as feed they would have to have them hauled off to a landfill and without them the feedlot owner would have to buy full priced grain.

 

[jimmpatrick]

Using food to make gasoline is stupid. Thank congress and other pork barrel mentality for pushing to increase profits of a few huge agribusinesses at the expense of us tax payers.

I don’t see that it is any more stupid to make fuel from food than to grow food to feed to animals for beef.
What would be stupid - and extremely selfish - is for our generations to exhaust all oil supplies without looking for a substitute. It’s like our governments borrowing money to give us a standard of living we can’t afford and leaving it to our descendants to pay off the debt.

 

[jimmpatrick]

Cattle Fed Byproducts Of Ethanol Production Harbor Dangerous E. Coli Bacteria

I hadn't even thought about the by-products from ethanol production. Evidently there is enough goody left in the mash to feed cattle and poultry but not without problems. The article I linked is from 2007 so maybe some of that has been worked out.

It still doesn't make sense to take food products to make a product with questionable or less than favorable results.

In the same way as you should always be wary of what you read in newspapers - newspapers are only interested in selling newspapers, and alarmist stories sell well - you should ask yourself who is funding the research when results are published. If the beef industry is funding it, would it not be to their advantage to show any disadvantages of corn being converted into fuel? If the big oil companies were sponsoring research in this field, I wonder what results would be published.
Then you ask yourself about the significance of the results. If the normal level of E coli in beef is perfectly acceptable, then the chances of a level twice as high being harmful is extremely slight.
It’s like the global warming research. The research showing human-caused global warming comes from groups that are funded by governments with an interest in showing that there is global warming, and these researchers seem to ignore warming and cooling caused by natural long term phenomena.

 

[Western]

I found this article interesting this morning on FOX news. Maybe common sense will get some traction.

EPA is pressured to drop ethanol mandate while drought drives corn prices up | Fox News

 

[k0ua]

This is pretty interesting too:

E85 vs. Gasoline Comparison Test - Edmunds.com

Now for my opinion..the ethanol mandate should be repealed.

James K0UA