Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New?

   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #21  
Sorry to say that I brought a 1960s house that was built like a brick (same well regarded contractor built several of them in different areas in our community) and have seen newer homes built like a shed. Literally the 1960s house doors/windows all operated fine. Trim was cut and hand nailed solidly. Today's trim is shot in place with thin gauge trim nails and often joints caulked to hide the gaps. Exteriors aren't brick. They tend to be sheet goods made to resemble board and batten siding and/or vinyl siding. HVAC systems rely on flex duct not metal.

Not saying all better then/now, but saying each house has to be evaluated on its own merits.
I’ve noticed that houses built in the 1960s seem to be pretty sound, but the 1970s built houses seem to be the poorest quality. For that matter, I’ve noticed the same thing about vehicles. The 1970s seem to be the low point in US construction and manufacturing quality.
 
   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #22  
I’ve noticed that houses built in the 1960s seem to be pretty sound, but the 1970s built houses seem to be the poorest quality. For that matter, I’ve noticed the same thing about vehicles. The 1970s seem to be the low point in US construction and manufacturing quality.
That was the downhill side of the hippy era

They were probably still half baked and pickled
 
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#23  
I’m a contractor and as far as I’m concerned the idea that old houses are better is completely rubbish. There’s always been shoddy builders but at least now they have some building codes to keep them in check. I’m not sure how anyone thinks that people could build whatever they wanted completely unchecked and untrained made for better quality? My county didn’t enforce any build codes until 2012. Until then you were completely free to span 2x6 floor joints 16 ft on 24” centers if you felt like it. Now days plumbing and electrical has to be done by licensed plumbers and electricians and be inspected. Does that ensure quality? Of course not but that’s better than harry hack doing it with zero oversight. Depending on where we’re drawing the line as old the old houses didn’t even have plumbing, electrical or HVAC. Those systems were usually installed later and almost always hacked up. Even crappy new windows seal better than old ones. Heating old homes especially really old ones is a costly venture. Building code requires insulation. Old homes frequently have none or very little. People are usually comparing the elite class of old homes and ignoring that the vast majority of them fell down already. I will agree that old timber was better and the old building lots were usually better. I’m not saying all new houses are good. There’s definitely shoddy builders but at least now they at least have code enforcement. But there’s always been shoddy builders and previously they had zero oversight. I don’t exactly send the code guys a Christmas card they make my life harder and more expensive but I’ve seen enough shoddy work to realize why they exist.
1922 we had building codes in my city and I have the original signed off inspector card.

The stucco is like iron and hammer blows bounce off like hitting an anvil.

I still have the original 1922 cabinets and counters and galvanized pipe and original electric service… maybe because I am only the second owner?

Having renovated many homes over the years and supervising hospital construction has me appreciating just how well built a vintage tract home can be…

I have also seen is too many botched remodels and hacked renovations take their toll.

No doubt and without question today’s homes built right are amazing…

My disappointment is from seeing new tract homes built in the South West… even entire tracts with homes having to truck in water or finding the private sewer lateral not connected, or unsecured/joined trusses, settling where the underground gas and electric physically separate from entry points and stucco so weak the chicken wire shows and a hammer blow is likely to go right through the wall.

Insulation certificates often mean little… no insulation in places or voids… yet signed off.

Also have found entire tracts with aluminum wiring that self loosens or the insulation shrinks back exposing bare conductors… and plastic pipe breaking down from exposure too quickly.

I’m sure no one can forget Chinese Drywall…

In Texas folks were having furnace troubles and the cause determined no rain cap on the gas vents… a sea of straight exposed furnace vents.

Several co workers were part of a class action against the manufacturer of their cellulose fiber roof tiles and they won…

I do think multi pane windows have a useful life until the seal breaks down letting moisture fog.
 
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   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #24  
I’m a contractor and as far as I’m concerned the idea that old houses are better is completely rubbish. There’s always been shoddy builders but at least now they have some building codes to keep them in check. I’m not sure how anyone thinks that people could build whatever they wanted completely unchecked and untrained made for better quality? My county didn’t enforce any build codes until 2012. Until then you were completely free to span 2x6 floor joints 16 ft on 24” centers if you felt like it. Now days plumbing and electrical has to be done by licensed plumbers and electricians and be inspected. Does that ensure quality? Of course not but that’s better than harry hack doing it with zero oversight. Depending on where we’re drawing the line as old the old houses didn’t even have plumbing, electrical or HVAC. Those systems were usually installed later and almost always hacked up. Even crappy new windows seal better than old ones. Heating old homes especially really old ones is a costly venture. Building code requires insulation. Old homes frequently have none or very little. People are usually comparing the elite class of old homes and ignoring that the vast majority of them fell down already. I will agree that old timber was better and the old building lots were usually better. I’m not saying all new houses are good. There’s definitely shoddy builders but at least now they at least have code enforcement. But there’s always been shoddy builders and previously they had zero oversight. I don’t exactly send the code guys a Christmas card they make my life harder and more expensive but I’ve seen enough shoddy work to realize why they exist.
For me, mid 80's houses on up built on acreage seemed to be built better than the houses in cookie cutter neighborhoods.

I used to install security systems so I came in contact with homes of all types.

The cookie cutter neighborhoods seemed to be the poorest quality of the builds.

The contractors get beat down so bad by the developers that corners get cut, paint and sealers get thinned, etc.....

And it seems that the bigger the developer, the shoddier the build.
 
   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #25  
Those of us who live in "old" houses and who think older houses were well-built should remind ourselves that we are living in "survivors". Shoddily built houses of 1 or 2 centuries ago have long since fallen to ruin and disappeared.
 
   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #26  
That was the downhill side of the hippy era

They were probably still half baked and pickled
Also it’s obvious that the materials were substandard. Single pane aluminum windows, cheap siding, ect…
 
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Many times change was seen as modern…

Aluminum casement windows on new high end 1950’s home were sold as convenient and maintenance free.

All copper water and waste lines over galvanized and cast iron…

Formica smooth and sanitary counters instead of tile and grout…

Wall to wall carpet instead of cold drafty hardwood.

Stained casework instead of painted…

Aluminum frame screens for every window.

Federal Pacific Breakers over Glass Fuses…
 
   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #28  
I think the reason so many 100 year old homes here have weathered well is the very mild California climate…

Somewhere I have the original bill of sale listing down payment in 1922 as $10 US Gold.

The layout and craftsman standards like the Bay Window, Built In Hutch and Matchstick Hardwood are appreciated 100 years later…

I like the original double hung windows, door hardware, 1922 high leg stove and gravity central heat…
I like the wavy glass in our windows. (y)
 
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#29  
I like the wavy glass in our windows. (y)
I’ve seen that also.

Glass is amorphous and not crystalline so it continues to flow over the centuries…
 
   / Homes… Your Thoughts… Old or New? #30  
Many times change was seen as modern…

Aluminum casement windows on new high end 1950’s home were sold as convenient and maintenance free.

All copper water and waste lines over galvanized and cast iron…

Formica smooth and sanitary counters instead of tile and grout…

Wall to wall carpet instead of cold drafty hardwood.

Stained casework instead of painted…

Aluminum frame screens for every window.

Federal Pacific Breakers over Glass Fuses…
I do miss my wall to wall carpet. While I like the wood floors that were underneath it, the carpet made the room much warmer and quieter. You could just lay on it and be comfortable. I have to wear socks with the wood floor. The cats won't even lay on it. :ROFLMAO:
 

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