Hooking up PTO w/ Engine Running

[Short Game]

Dunno where to go with this one...............

Other than it's your choice to be vegan.

A humans phyisical makeup(and dietary needs) differs with your decision, but I respect it.

Actually, not a vegan. Actually, I lied. I'm a lying vegie. I murder a few fish. I also gobble up some early term chicken abortions.

 

[Don87]

Public shooting ranges............never been to one.........and never will be, heard of too many horror stories, and not just the ones here. I do have Nemacolin Woodlands Shooting Range less than 2 miles away.............I hear gunshots from daylight til after dark(they must have lighting there).

 

[Don87]

Actually, not a vegan. Actually, I lied. I'm a lying vegie. I murder a few fish. I also gobble up some early term chicken abortions.

OMG..............A murderer in our midst...........

 

[Short Game]

Still waiting for that koi recipe.

Okay, you are right. I'm trolling. :laughing:

 

[Don87]

Actually, not a vegan. Actually, I lied. I'm a lying vegie. I murder a few fish. I also gobble up some early term chicken abortions.

My apologies............While editing my post, I inadvertantlly deleted a line....................


I respect your opinion to be vegan.

 

[Don87]

Still waiting for that koi recipe.

Okay, you are right. I'm trolling. :laughing:

Salt, lemon pepper and lot's of BUTTER..............According to Paula :laughing::laughing::laughing: (Food Network)


Bring your fishin pole.............we can both dodge bullets from the wife:laughing::laughing:

The only guns that aren't loaded at the current time are the muzzleloaders..............I have 3 of those.

EDIT: Maybe I should mention the ones I currently have............22's(2 pistols, 1 rifle,,,,,all loaded with CCI Stingers)..........one 12 guage, one 30-30, one 7mm Magnum, one 38, two pellet guns, and a Bow that can take the eye out of a raccoon that is in a tree(it's the 'bow'......I ain't that good).

 

[Soundguy]

I have two seperate mechanical levers to engage my PTO's...............so I connect my PTO shaft('s )while the engine is running.

If mine were electrical, I would do things differently.

i would not like a solenoid ( electric ) engaged one either.

soundguy

 

[Don87]

i would not like a solenoid ( electric ) engaged one either.

soundguy

I'm with you 1,000 percent.......now how do we convince the manufacturers that they screwed up?

 

[Don87]

Actually, not a vegan. Actually, I lied. I'm a lying vegie. I murder a few fish. I also gobble up some early term chicken abortions.

I've been wanting to ask this question of a 'vegan'...............and there is no disrespect intended..............

It is my understanding that some vegans eat fish.......fish is meat:confused3::confused3:

Can you explain it in terms that a non-vegan can understand?

 

[tungularafishcamp]

I always thought a vegan ate no animal protein at all no dairy, no eggs, nada and vegitarian meant whatever the person wanted it to. Have met many self proclaimed vegitarians that ate seafood, chicken, pork, wild game, u name it. Personally I am on a strictly seefood diet,

I see food-I eat it

 

[Don87]

I always thought a vegan ate no animal protein at all no dairy, no eggs, nada and vegitarian meant whatever the person wanted it to. Have met many self proclaimed vegitarians that ate seafood, chicken, pork, wild game, u name it. Personally I am on a strictly seefood diet,

I see food-I eat it

That's why I was asking Short Game's veiw on the subject...........I just don't understand.

Although I did hear of one lady that decided to go totally vegan...........It darn near killed her. She had to start eating chicken because of the lack of protein.

 

[Willl]

I'm guilty of this heinous crime also.

But it's a JD 790, manual engagement.

 

[TripleR]

Someone who doesn't eat meat with the exception of fish is a Pescatarian. Vegan and Vegetarian are different things also; all gets kind of confusing as some will not even use leather products.

One of my grand daughters was a vegetarian for many years and in order to maintain good health it can get pretty expensive. She did manage and has always been involved in sports.

I personally don't get it, but to each his/her own.

 

[Don87]

Someone who doesn't eat meat with the exception of fish is a Pescatarian. Vegan and Vegetarian are different things also; all gets kind of confusing as some will not even use leather products.

One of my grand daughters was a vegetarian for many years and in order to maintain good health it can get pretty expensive. She did manage and has always been involved in sports.

I personally don't get it, but to each his/her own.

Learn something new everyday, thanks for clarifying.

 

[Short Game]

I always thought a vegan ate no animal protein at all no dairy, no eggs, nada and vegitarian meant whatever the person wanted it to. Have met many self proclaimed vegitarians that ate seafood, chicken, pork, wild game, u name it. Personally I am on a strictly seefood diet,

I see food-I eat it

You one of those eat and release fishermen?

I said I was a "lying vegetarian." I have a friend with a band called "The Lying Vegans." I'm mostly vegetarian and eat fish on an average of once a week, depending on how much fish people give me. I eat one restaurant meal every other week on my provisioning run and it is a fish dish. My blood pressure is just about perfect. I haven't smoked for many years. I still drink. I cuss. I have several more vices, but they are in my shop.


I have two tractors. One is on blocks at the moment and has a clutch/mechanical PTO engage. The new one I bought to keep me tractoring has an electric PTO engagement. The mechanical I have no fear of. The electrical I see as a gamble I should not take.

 

[chipsndust]

How about this for new tractor owners:

If you are new to owning tractors, and your PTO is engaged by lifting a button or flipping a switch (electrical vs. mechanical engagement) you should shut your engine off before connecting rear implement PTO shafts to the tractor.

 

[SPYDERLK]

i would not like a solenoid ( electric ) engaged one either.

soundguy

I'm with you 1,000 percent.......now how do we convince the manufacturers that they screwed up?

It takes discerning the problem, as we have here, then presenting a hard nosed and unified front when shopping. Anything less wont make it to the mfg. In the 50 yrs I have been around tractors I havnt known until now that an Independent PTO is not, by definition, out of gear when not engaged. I based this on the utility and farm tractors we have that all decouple with clutch and gears just like a std shift car, or a gear tractor, being put in neutral. Now I learn that some increasing # of independents have no neutral. Only a clutch keeps them from being driven -- and a linked brake on the output keeps them from spinning all the time from oil drag. How inconvenient, complex, and dangerous. You now have a PTO stub that you cant turn for hookup, and that could go live any time by a failure that allows release of system stored energy to operate the clutch. Thats a price paid for a pto that engages abruptly with the touch of a button. There could still be a manual gear decoupling tho. Then you could do away with the inconvenience and complexity of the brake. ... and conveniently and safely leave the engine on.
larry

 

[RoyJackson]

How about this for new tractor owners:

If you are new to owning tractors, and your PTO is engaged by lifting a button or flipping a switch (electrical vs. mechanical engagement) you should shut your engine off before connecting rear implement PTO shafts to the tractor.

Yes...

 

[foggy1111]

Allthough this thread has taken allot of twist and turns (from guns to vegetarian responses) I think it has had lots of good discussion.

I grew up with tractors having a mechanical PTO engagement and there was little to fear hooking up a PTO on these tractors....but there has been little written here to defend the practice of hooking up a tractor with an electric switch to control the PTO. AND....today there are simply too many variable methods and possibilities for PTO operation.

I'm gonna change my ways to: Engine OFF....before PTO connection.

Safety First!

 

[aczlan]

How about this for new tractor owners:
If you are new to owning tractors, and your PTO is engaged by lifting a button or flipping a switch (electrical vs. mechanical engagement) you should shut your engine off before connecting rear implement PTO shafts to the tractor.

I would say if you engage the pto without using a clutch (ie: electric or hydro controlled independent PTO), you should shut down the engine first.
If you use a clutch or have a way to physically disengage the PTO, you are probbaly not going to be torn limb from limb by the PTO.

Aaron Z