Horse farm needs tractor

[rScotty]

That's another way to solve the problem. Instead of a single utility tractor used everywhere for everything, the OP could concentrate instead on different machines for the various jobs. Big tractors in the fields and 4 wheelers pulling implements in and around the barn.

This solution may put some serious pressure on their budget....

 

[Yander]

I would either go with the Kioti ck2610 or go find a Yanmar dealer and get the SA-425 which comes with rear remotes which you will want. I have the sa 425 and they are an amazingly capable tractor. They're small in frame but the amount of work they can do is amazing.

Wouldn't go with bobcat because they're essentially Kioti. Just buy a Kioti. Check FB marketplace everyday, they do pop up with good deals but they don't last.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Bobcat's appeal is tempting; a white Kioti for less than a Kioti. The biggest concern I see with them, outside of the dealers potential lack of tractor experience, is that eventually Bobcat plans to build their own tractors. I don't know if that will actually ever happen, but if it does, where does that leave those with a white Kioti?

 

[woolyAcres]

Bobcat's appeal is tempting; a white Kioti for less than a Kioti. The biggest concern I see with them, outside of the dealers potential lack of tractor experience, is that eventually Bobcat plans to build their own tractors. I don't know if that will actually ever happen, but if it does, where does that leave those with a white Kioti?

That's a good question. The few parts I've needed (I installed the rear remotes kit about a year after purchasing the bare tractor) for my white Kioti I've ordered through MichiganIron. They never asked me what color my tractor was.

 

[rScotty]

Bobcat's appeal is tempting; a white Kioti for less than a Kioti. The biggest concern I see with them, outside of the dealers potential lack of tractor experience, is that eventually Bobcat plans to build their own tractors. I don't know if that will actually ever happen, but if it does, where does that leave those with a white Kioti?

Well, that's easy to answer. It would leave white Kioti (Bobcat) owners in the same boat along with owners of half a dozen other makes from companies who outsourced their manufacturing.

For that matter, on this thread we've heard mention that it is getting even getting harder to find parts for the rebranded Yanmars that JD sold. Two posters on this very thread have said that about their JD750s. A dandy tractor, but support has not lasted as long as the tractor.

Come to think of it, didn't Bobcat do this very thing before? Back about ten or fifteen years ago??

rScotty

 

[tacticalturnip]

Well, that's easy to answer. It would leave white Kioti (Bobcat) owners in the same boat along with owners of half a dozen other makes from companies who outsourced their manufacturing.

For that matter, on this thread we've heard mention that it is getting even getting harder to find parts for the rebranded Yanmars that JD sold. Two posters on this very thread have said that about their JD750s. A dandy tractor, but support has not lasted as long as the tractor.

Come to think of it, didn't Bobcat do this very thing before? Back about ten or fifteen years ago??

rScotty

2007 to 2013, and now from 2019 on; you'd think they'd just stick with Daedong.

It's crazy seeing how quick a lot of Deere parts have dried up over the last few years.

 

[WinterDeere]

...on this thread we've heard mention that it is getting even getting harder to find parts for the rebranded Yanmars that JD sold. Two posters on this very thread have said that about their JD750s. A dandy tractor, but support has not lasted as long as the tractor.

I owned a 750, and I believe it was a 1978 model, despite tractordata.com stating that model lagged the 850 by a few years. It was replaced with my 1986 Deere 855.

The fact that Deere offers any parts for a tractor introduced 45 years ago, and discontinued more than 35 years ago is frankly impressive, and goes beyond most of what you'd find in the non-rebranded category. Beyond that, because so many units were sold in those 10 years of production, there's an abundance of parts for this model on the used and NOS markets.

 

[rScotty]

Sell a few horses to help get you the right size tractor.
If you can't afford a tractor I don't see how you can afford a horse farm.

I can answer that one because we did it. You can lease your well-schooled (read "older) horses out to teach others. And you can take in boarders. Most horse farms work that way. They basically rent space and sell lessons and training.

Nobody has yet offered to pay me to keep their tractor in a stall.... but it could happen. I could train it some, too. Yesterday I could have taught somebody's boarded tractor how to pull logs out of the creek without hurting itself or others. Sorta the same thing with a horse....

rScotty

 

[tacticalturnip]

Nobody has yet offered to pay me to keep their tractor in a stall.... but it could happen. I could train it some, too. Yesterday I could have taught somebody's boarded tractor how to pull logs out of the creek without hurting itself or others.

rScotty

Sounds like a dream job.

 

[rScotty]

There was a dicey moment there with the log chain tight on a half submerged log in the current - and the tractor sliding trying to decide whether it wanted to have two wheels on the ground or four.

About them I was thinking, " Maybe next time I'll bring the big tractor.. uh, that is if there is a next time...."

But in the end it got done OK, and I figure that little tractor is wiser for the experience.
Just like a horse.

rScotty

 

[tacticalturnip]

That's the only way they learn.

 

[Peter 315]

Sell a few horses to help get you the right size tractor.
If you can't afford a tractor I don't see how you can afford a horse farm.

Sad...

 

[Horsetime]

Sell a few horses to help get you the right size tractor.
If you can't afford a tractor I don't see how you can afford a horse farm.

Super helpful! Thanks!

 

[SwingOak]

I have a couple of Kioti tractors, and I think the DK50se HST I have is just about the perfect tractor for a horse farm. It's 50 HP, so probably a little bigger than required unless you're looking to make your own hay or your property is hilly. I use it for everything - dragging paddocks, pastures, and the arena, dumping muck tubs, rototilling, mowing, brush hogging, making hay, loading the manure spreader, snow removal, logging, you name it. I've experienced almost no problems with it, and I'd had it for almost 10 years now. it gets used almost every day.

And yes to HST, definitely. You'll use the loader more than anything and an HST transmission is ideal for that.

And also yes, if you finance with Kioti at 0%, you're basically going to pay the interest up front instead of getting a cash "discount", but it still works out to a pretty low rate. I did that with my RX7320 - 0% down and 0% interest for 6 years, and the APR worked out to about 2.5% which I was OK with. Seemed like a pretty cheap way to spread the cost out over a few years, and meanwhile I've invested most of the cash I would have spent on the tractor. So far my average annual return has been much, much greater than the cost of the "interest" on the loan.

 

[Torvy]

We do leave nearish a Mahindra dealership. They have the 1626 for $27,999 for 0 percent financing for 84 months 10% down.

That seems awfully high unless it is cabbed and/or has a backhoe. Mahindra website shows the base cost at right around 20k. Unless there are expensive upgrades, I would look elsewhere.

 

[Torvy]

Well, that's easy to answer. It would leave white Kioti (Bobcat) owners in the same boat along with owners of half a dozen other makes from companies who outsourced their manufacturing.

For that matter, on this thread we've heard mention that it is getting even getting harder to find parts for the rebranded Yanmars that JD sold. Two posters on this very thread have said that about their JD750s. A dandy tractor, but support has not lasted as long as the tractor.

Come to think of it, didn't Bobcat do this very thing before? Back about ten or fifteen years ago??

rScotty

I think the biggest difference is that Bobcat is a well established brand of its own and the shops work on similar equipment and engines. Many of the other rebranded stuff is companies that don't really have the capacity or expertise to service things. Another benefit is that unless Kioti itself stopped making parts for those models, you could still source parts for the Bobcat version. Around me, I would rather have the Bobcat as the dealership is better than any nearby Kioti one.

 

[arrow]

Many of the other rebranded stuff is companies that don't really have the capacity or expertise to service things.

I cannot speak with utmost authority of how rebranded equipment requirements, as it applies to the various dealerships, stays constant in execution.

In my knowledge base as it applies to the outdoor power equipment of the company I work for, you cannot carry a brand unless the dealership becomes certified in said product.
Certification requirements include the procuring, licensing and schooling of all tech involvement in the repair, servicing and manufacturer addendum notifications.
In Mahindra's case, our techs maintain an extensive knowledge base of tractors coming from all 3 manufacturing sites of india, (India) Japan (Mitsubishi) and S. Korea. (Tym)

This is soon to alter in structure as Mahindra moves into its own dedicated line with the 50/50 relationship they now have w Mitsubishi.
All subsequent Mahindra tractors (from sub compact to utility) will be comprised of this union and this union only.

If a Bob Cat dealer is taking on the rebranded Kioti line and if it works as Mahindra does, then all techs servicing Kioti/Bob Cat equipment, must be certified to work on such.
This is much like your local hardware store who happens to carry Stihl equipment, that store must have a certified repair tech on site in order to carry the line.

In the end, it all comes down to the quality/integrity/diligence efficacy of management, sales and maintenance staff.
It is that which above all else, constitutes a "good dealership".

 

[arrow]

That seems awfully high unless it is cabbed and/or has a backhoe. Mahindra website shows the base cost at right around 20k. Unless there are expensive upgrades, I would look elsewhere.

Could be the 84 month paper in itself as a backhoe now approaches 8K for the tractor.
I forget who the car dealership was, but his "0%" was coming to 9.69% interest rate in reality.

Also, that site could not be keeping up with price increases we seem to be getting on a weekly basis.

 

[arrow]

I have a couple of Kioti tractors, and I think the DK50se HST I have is just about the perfect tractor for a horse farm. It's 50 HP, so probably a little bigger than required unless you're looking to make your own hay or your property is hilly. I use it for everything - dragging paddocks, pastures, and the arena, dumping muck tubs, rototilling, mowing, brush hogging, making hay, loading the manure spreader, snow removal, logging, you name it. I've experienced almost no problems with it, and I'd had it for almost 10 years now. it gets used almost every day.

And yes to HST, definitely. You'll use the loader more than anything and an HST transmission is ideal for that.

And also yes, if you finance with Kioti at 0%, you're basically going to pay the interest up front instead of getting a cash "discount", but it still works out to a pretty low rate. I did that with my RX7320 - 0% down and 0% interest for 6 years, and the APR worked out to about 2.5% which I was OK with. Seemed like a pretty cheap way to spread the cost out over a few years, and meanwhile I've invested most of the cash I would have spent on the tractor. So far my average annual return has been much, much greater than the cost of the "interest" on the loan.

He has a 25K cap so unless.....

 

[SwingOak]

He has a 25K cap so unless.....

$25k cap for paying cash.

I opted to finance this time on the RX because the cost to finance was reasonable.

I financed my first Kioti (DK50se HST) because for a 6 year term the rate was reasonably low (2.4%) and at the time I needed the cash to pay for a underground storage tank remediation job on a house I owned back east (don't ask what that cost - you don't want to know, and I'd rather forget).

The cost for the tractor was the same at the time, cash or financed. I paid the tractor off 3 years early.