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Re: House II, Front Door

Rob MDF is easy to machine into various shapes to give you different profiles for your trim. The only drawback is that no matter how much you want to sand the machined edges they remain kind of fuzzy and don't take paint as smotthly and consistantly as the factory edges. I have seen guys prime and then fill the fuzzy edges with spackle by rubbing it on the whole edge and then resanding. This gives you a smoother edge and you don't notice the fuzz so much. I would definately see if you can find some MDF, machine it and put some paint on it before you ok it as your trim. If you like it great, if you don't you wouldn't want your whole house done before when you find out.
 
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Re: House II, Front Door

You make an excellent point about the fuzzy edges Tom. I'll definitely play with it some more before committing. I also want the trim carpenter's opinion and I'll ask the painter as well. Thanks for the tip /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Re: House II, Front Door

Fantastic Michael! It is nice having the stairs, isn't it. Your framers are doing a great job, that stairway looks nice and crisp. Either that or I'm just used to ours which is now all trampled down with a couple of months worth of construction grime /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

Love that porch! What are you going to use for flooring? /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / House II #64  
Re: mdf?

All shingles now have a fiberglass mat in them. The mat is a carrier for the asphalt. Years ago they used rag felt, but the rag didn't hold up as well. The fiberglass shingles have a much longer life expectancy than the old Organic Asphalt Shingles.

For those of you that are building new homes and signed contracts for shingles with a particular length warranty, here is some information that maybe interesting or of use to you. I hope you can follow my ramblings.

Last year Architectural Shingles had warranty terms of 25, 30 and 40 years. At the beginning of the year one manufacturer decided they would sell more shingles if their warrany was longer than the competition. /w3tcompact/icons/clever.gif So, they changed their warranties to 30, 40 and 50 years. The shingles didn't change a bit. Shortly there after all of the other manufacturer's followed along and increased the warranty terms.

If you house is spec'd out to have 30 year shingles and you agreed to this at the end of last year or the beginning of this year you will essentially be getting those old 25 year shingles in the new wrapper saying 30 years. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif Personally I believe that your shingle should be upgraded. I'm not convinced a new wrapper and brochure are going to increase the life of those shingles. (I know its based on history, but.........)

The price change was about $1/square (This was likely due to the oil prices). So if you builder had 30 year shingles in his quote from last year, it really won't cost him anymore to put the new 40 year shingles on your house.

One last word on shingles. 25 year shingles (now 30's) were running around $35/square. 30 year shingles (now 40's) were running around $50/square and 40 year shingles (now 50's) were running around $55/square. There was and still is a big jump from the 25(now 30) to 30(now 40) year shingles, but the jump up to the top line was relatively small. I always tried to encourage our customers to spend the extra $5/square to get the extra 10 years and upgrade to the longest warranty.

The prices I noted are based on GAF Timberline shingles. But, Tamko, Elk, Certainteed and the others are usually comparable in price. (At least they are in Central PA)

Kip
 
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Re: House II, Front Door

RobS,

The main stairs are temporary for the build, but they were just installed, wait a month or so and they won't look so crisp. Funny thing was I stopped out today (wife and I go tomorrow) and the place was cleaned up. I mean no garbage, no wood pieces etc the floors were swept and dust taken away.

They have a small burn pile going and they burned the last bunch, not they moved all the scrap over to be burned again. But the site is clean. I felt they would do so after they finished the phase. I am glad I gave them the chance rather than doing it myself and making them feel like I didn't think they would.

Kiphorn:

You are very right on the shingle issue. My builder explained it very much like you did but showed me the new "25YR Shingles". It appears they have a 3D architectural look but it is just different thicknesses to give that appearance. We originally had the true architecturals 25YR specified for our house, but with the changes, we moved to 30YR architectural that gives the two layer construction.
 
   / House II #66  
Re: House II, Front Door

The machined MDF edges remain fuzzy, and any countersunk nail leaves a small "mushroom" around it. If you try to sand it down, you get more fuzzies. It will show though any paint. I considered the MDF for our house under construction, but went with poplar instead (harder than pine, pretty close in cost, takes paint really well.
 
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Re: House II, Porch Siding

A lot happening at the construction site lately, just not much photo-worthy. The siding guys have been concentrating on the lower areas in anticipation of a lift rental now scheduled for next week. It was delayed due to a few trim pieces that also need to go up high. Drywall is almost all hung, probably finish up tomorrow. The electric company came out and did the final hook up from the transformer to the house and various other bits and pieces. We will be priming porch floor boards and ceiling panels this weekend. I did a little grading of some ruts last weekend to help contractor access. In spite of it being quite dry, I was impressed with my box blade/scarifiers. Chewed things right up and leveled decently. We got the last of the driveway quotes so that should be scheduled soon as well. This shot is of the front porch with more siding up /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 

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Re: House II, Porch Siding

Forgive me if this was mentioned before, but where is your house wrap? Vinyl siding needs a protective layer underneath it. You get a hard, driving rain and your OSB will get wet and then delaminate. A little bit of prevention now will save dollars later. Plastic house wrap is good, but felt paper is better. Just my opinion.
 
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Re: House II, Porch Siding

I had discussed house-wrap with the builder from the beginning and they talked us out of it. In fact, very few houses in this area use it. I also did some research through "Fine Homebuilding" and "Old House Journal" and found very mixed responses to the house wrap question. In the end, we chose to pocket that money /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / House II #70  
Re: House II, Porch Siding

RobS,

Well after a few days off (for me due to being sick) the builder was to begin again today. The roof trusses were supposed to be delivered. We have rain planned for Friday, so maybe they can finish the trusses by then. In a a few weeks I will have a nice roof all set up.

Then we go inside. Pics later this weekend when I get back out there.
 
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Re: House II, More Siding

The siding guys have been working a bit higher. Some of our detail has slowed them down but we sure are liking the results. The horizontal boards are 1X8 pine wrapped in aluminum to match the other trim.

A bit more drywall hung on the inside as well /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 

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   / House II #72  
Re: House II, More Siding

RobS,

It is looking real good. I stopped out tonight even though I told the wife that I wouldn't. But oh well. They did frame up the font porch roof, but that was it. No roof trusses. I am a little irked (not with the builder) as the local firm building them told him Monday they would deliver Wednesday. Well it's Thursday and no roof trusses. We have rain storms coming in and they could have been up and done.

Oh well I just want more real progress before they go inside and it really slows down.
 
   / House II #73  
Re: House II, More Siding

Well, patience is a virtue I never could figure out. We had a few meetings last night and today all house related. Met last night with ADT for the alarm system, and I can say that I am glad I met with the rep vs going online to purchase. First of all you can, but you may not get what you want, and second I had someone go through more info for the wife.

Well today we met with the kitchen cabinet guy, a bit scarry as he wasn't having very good recall and I forgot my info. He mainly did the measurements to compare against the prints and a few were out of range. We meet again next Saturday and I will make sure I have all the info double checked like the corian counter top colors and the cabinet info.

Oh yeah and the delivered the roof trusses on Friday (sometime) so they will begin that most likely Monday (I hope), right after they move the window in my wifes sanctuary (her library).

Thanks again all.
 
   / House II #74  
Re: House II, Porch Siding

Rob, Small world! So what's up, is there a Victorian revival, or what? Boy are we jealous of your head start and progress. Note: There are catalogs of architectural accoutrements, including victorian gingerbread, some made of no-painting-required-if-you-like-white plastic.

We are poised to begin construction on a Victorian styled farmhouse; high pitch roofs, dormers, turret(s), wrap around porches. After much wandering around on our place loking for the best pond views (160 acres, 8 ponds, so far) and considering septic, piped water from rural water mains (temp water from distant well) two electric companies who will not cooperate with each other, and (as you are probably aware) a jillion other details, yesterday we drove a stake marking the center of our prefered (with multidimensional tradeoffs included) building site. Felt good. Hopefully within a week or so we can have a driller on site to drill a test boring for our soils engineer for his subterranean investigation in support of a basement and foundation design. There is a possibility that we may have to go to our second choice site if there is a water table problem and or expansive clay disaster then the basement waterproofing would be too problematical.

Worst case would be to abandon the basement if it gets to be more costly than surface square footage to construct (hopefully not too likely). We are looking at about 1200-1500 sq ft on the ground floor floor with a similar sized walkout basement. Probably not have much walls with siding on the second floor. Most of the second floor will be space captured under the high pitch roof as assisted by the dormers. Second floor ceilings will have the attic "dog leg" 45 degree section where needed under the roof (wife likes that a lot). Not sure how many sq ft we will capture this way, maybe 600-700 for a total around 3000-3700 (more than I want). Wife is holding out for an elevator (not kidding).

As basement is a walk out design and the house will run E-W with the south end being the walk out end, the basement will only run N-S about 30-35 ft. The slope at the site is gentle so starting with the mandatory slab height of 8 inches above grade the north wall will not be very far in the ground and we will require a lot of fill to berm the three "buried" walls (retaining walls needed too). I don't want too much of the basement wall showing above grade, 2-3 ft would be max. The good news is that there is a lot of dirt to scrape up for the berming real close to the site and its removal improves the view of the two ponds we are building near.

Thinking right now is a separate (detached) garrage attached (is this a contradiction?) via a lengthy enclosed breezeway/patio room. Wife wanted a tea room, exercise room, sitting room, project room, room room, and I can't remember what all else. I have temporarily (these things never die just go into temporary dormancy) got her agreeing to a 3 car garage, a shop (for me), project room (for her) all in one outbuilding. I appealed to her thrifty side. I think I can move some of these functions out of the house proper into a single out building (well insulated throughout and heated and air conditioned in the shop and project room portions).

Still wrestling with mechanical system details like geothermal with infloor hydronic heat vs dual fuel heat pump and forced air all the way. If I go chilled water I can distribute fan coil units and not have ducts for heating or cooling AND as a plus could extend the heating and cooling to the garage/shop/whatever building. with only the one ground sourced heatpump. Decisions, decisions....

Best of luck to you in finishing out your home. Is it too late to mention that virtually all the larger quality furniture manufacturers in the USA are in the Carolinas and buying factory direct can save 40-70% off show room prices? Most places will ship to you cheaper than you can arrange shipping. I was thinking of a buying trip with my trailer but the factories have volume deals with shippers and prices are too good to warrant the trip from south central Oklahoma. We too like antiques but will accept good reproductions as it is appearance that interests us as much as the cachet of antiquity (I used to call antiques, really old used furniture).

Patrick
 
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Re: House II, Porch Siding

Patrick, sounds like you're about to embark on quite a project! Good luck to you. We're still enjoying ours but at the same time, can't wait to be in it. Funny you should mention the catalogs of trim products available. One of those companies is nearby and will likely be showing our house in their new catalog. We're getting some complimentary products and significant discounts for the trouble. More on all that later.

Spent this weekend priming the beadboard panels for the porch ceiling. My wife and I started putting them up last night which took longer than plan. Lots of angles! One more night though, and we'll have them under control. Sure looks great. Now to prime over 250 porch floor boards /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

The lift shows up tomorrow for the siding guys to get the highest areas. Too bad our finial isn't here yet.

MDNY, glad to hear you got your trusses but where are the pictures /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / House II #76  
Re: House II, More Siding

Rob,

I haven't checked in for a while, but wanted to comment on your progress. That thing looks like a house!! Congratulations. We are getting near completion of the design/development phase and I may start a post in the near future. Hope that what we come up with will grace the Land. In any event, it must feel good to be so far along. Enjoy the rest of the ride.

Bill
 
   / House II #77  
Re: House II, Porch Siding

RobS,

Funny you should ask. I talked to the builder today and they have the garage roof trusses all done and they are going to work on the main roofs tomorrow. They did finish the general framing for the porch roofs last Friday.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the house tonight. I got hit. A tractor trailerwas passing my on the highway and as we were going around a turn to the right he drifted into my lane, I figured it was normal drift that most big rigs do as they go around bends. NOPE. He was cutting into my lane and into my car. I hit my horn, long and loud, with no reaction, my only option was to hit the brakes cause he was still coming into my lane. I hit my brakes, and he hit my truck. Took out the passenger mirror and dented the front fender and a deep gouge down the door panel. I am ok, called 911 and followed the truck to get his plate number. I got the trailer (from PA) and pulled over to report it. I waited almost 2 hours for the city police to arrive and take my report. No go and I wasn't waiting all night so I have to goto the city police in the morning and fill out paperwork, then to the insurance agent.

Oh yeah did I mention they did the garage roof trusses. No pics since I spent my evening waiting for the cops. But I will get them tomorrow and we will see how things are looking.

My builder says roof will be capped and roofers should be going in about two weeks, and the electrician will be starting shortly after that.
 
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Re: House II, Porch Siding

<font color=blue>I got hit</font color=blue>

Well, that sucks! I'm sorry to hear about that, but it sounds like you're alright and it certainly could have been worse. Why do these things always seem to happen at the worst possible time. Actually, it sounds like it would be fitting for my life right now /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif

Good to hear things are progressing on your homefront. We ran out to ours tonight and it appears the drywall hangers are done other than the garage. Taping is happening fast and furious so things are moving along. We have a big meeting with the builder tomorrow night with a cost update so that will allow us to zone in on a few of the remaining decisions like trim, flooring and hardware. We know what we want, it's just a matter of the budget.

Once again Michael, glad to hear you're still among us. Keep us posted on house and vehicle progress /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Re: House II, More Siding

Thanks Bill. I must say that in spite of all the whining my wife and I are doing about the rental house and all, we still enjoy the building process. Can't wait to be in and watching your progress from our new computer room /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Re: House II, Porch Siding

RobS,

Thanks for the kind thoughts. I am ok and that is what counts. Talked to the City Police this morning and they pulled the info from the DMV on the owner of the trailer so they will investigate and do a follow up with me. Called the insurance, have to get an appraisal tomorrow and drop it off for repairs. I personally can't stand having a rental for several day or driving my car banged up. I will post a quick pick of my truck.

But I got out to the house toinght and they have all the roof trusses up, except for the hand framing they have to do on the turrett roof yet. But that has to wait until they get the plywood on the trusses first. So I figure by the weekend they should have the roof enclosed.

I guess the roofers will out in about two weeks with the electrician about then too. So we are cruising along.

Here's my truck.
 

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