How does one decide right vs wrong?

[wroughtn_harv]

Mark and pitbull, ya'll are making me smile. That ain't a bad thing. And it ain't one of them smiles about you or at you either. It's one of them smiles with you.

First and foremost I think you should understand that I understand that this isn't a war or game where there's a winner and a loser. Discussions like this make you stronger in your position because it's being tested. And of course the same can be said about mine.

So thank you for your thoughtful and polite responses.

Now about that gravity thing. I think a little thought will coerce you into agreeing that rationalization might not alter the law of gravity. But it sure as heck can modify it and work around it where it's only a mere shadow of it's self. I'm thinking of flying here folks./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

<font color=blue>BTW, I do not believe most of the extreme Muslim followers of Islam do so out of faith, but fear and ignorance. </font color=blue>

I wonder if you would allow me to apply that statement to some of the extremes of Christianity?

And of course I wouldn't be me if I didn't ask you where the parameters are for faith out of fear and ignorance versus faith otherwise? Where is the line that says you believe too much? Where oh where?

 

[Ozarker]

"But it sure as heck can modify it and work around it where it's only a mere shadow of it's self. I'm thinking of flying here folks"

No cigar for you. When you fly, you are not modifting gravity in any way. You are simply countering it with a different force. You're just picking up a load with air pressure instead of a crane. The gravity is still there and still acting on you, just waiting for you to stop applying that other force so it can bring you back down. If you ever actually do figure out a way to modify gravity, you will be a very rich man.

It is no different that pulling a load. You haven't modified the load in any way when you get it to move. You have simply applied enough force to move it.

 

[BigDave]

<font color=blue> The absolute law of gravity </font color=blue>

Bad news, Boeing in a combined effort with a Russian scientist has claimed to have created an antigravity beam. According to the law of gravity, that's impossible. /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif

BTW, the law of gravity:

F = g*m1*m2/r*r

Which is slightly differnet from the cartoon law of gravity:

If you look down, you will fall. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[PitbullMidwest]

<font color=blue>Bad news, Boeing in a combined effort with a Russian scientist has claimed to have created an antigravity beam.</font color=blue>

Of coarse the operative word here is"claimed", but even so the beam would only resist the pull of gravity until the beam was deactivated. Is this a cop out? No, aircraft routinely resist gravity but the absolute law of gravity always wins out in the end.

 

[PitbullMidwest]

<font color=blue>Now about that gravity thing... it sure as heck can modify it and work around it where it's only a mere shadow of it's self. I'm thinking of flying here folks</font color=blue>

I guess I'll have to challange that statement Harv and ask for your documentation. An aircraft simply resists the pull of gravity (through lift) longer then my body would when flung off that cliff. Gravity always wins. Now don't suggest space flight because we all know that the moon is hold in orbit by earth's gravitational pull, and the earth by the sun's and so on and so on.

 

[BigDave]

I said "claimed" since the physics were not fully explained to my satisfaction. Science is like religon, some people have more faith than others. Yes, it is extremely rare for a large company Boeing to make a frivalous claim in a international publication, but it is possible. I plan to research this claim myself via scientific publications and form my own opinion. It is in their long range vision to use this methodology in aircraft propulsion. Will it happen? I don't know. Anyway, it may call for a rewriting of the law of gravity. That's the one of the great things about science; it's only absolute until someone proves it wrong.

 

[Ozarker]

I hope they have succeeded in developing an anti-gravity drive of some type. It would certainly revolutionize air travel and transport of goods.

 

[AMP762]

But if they repel the laws of gravity will I have to add more weight to my tractor?

 

[BigDave]

Let's see, nothing plus more nothing equals something? Sorry, you're just going to face the facts and learn to fly your tractor. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

 

[knucklehead]

<font color=blue>I wonder if you would allow me to apply that statement to some of the extremes of Christianity?</font color=blue>

Absolutely! /w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif/w3tcompact/icons/grin.gif Just like Jesus did. Mr. Koresh, wrongly treated as he was by our gov't., created his own brand of faith based, I guess, on the fact that he wanted to have sex with more than one person. And his followers, mostly off the streets, went along with it. I'll bet not a lot of them checked the old bible on that issue, or just swallowed some twisted rationalization from Koresh.

<font color=blue>And of course I wouldn't be me if I didn't ask you where the parameters are for faith out of fear and ignorance versus faith otherwise? Where is the line that says you believe too much? Where oh where?</font color=blue>

Well, I 'd have to say, short n' sweet, that anything out of context with the Word of God - like someone preaching/practicing some sort of works-based faith, or adding things in that aren't scriptural, crosses the "line". That whacks a lot of Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, etc.. I'm an equal opportunity whacker. Man's limited intellect and twisted ability to rationalize his personal desires makes it hard to follow God. I've sorta tried undescoring that point alongside our conversation. I've had to learn to take myself with a grain of salt, because I'm always stepping off the path - I need the map a lot - we all do. Believers get in trouble when they think they can figure things out without God's guidance, no less than anyone who openly rejects God. I'm O.K. with that, personally - the knowledge that I don't know everything. It's helped me develop a pretty good sense of humor about myself - not to say it can't be tested, HARV.

I honestly think this whole discussion would be better conducted while working side by side on something - pulling in the same yoke, so to speak. It loses something online - no relationship.

I wanna talk about anti gravity - all rapture jokes aside - I'm really skeptical, just like cold fusion (anyone remember cold fusion?).