HST Just Won't Stop, Quit, Woah!

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Well that answered one of my previous posts. I had originally thought that all DA units had the upgrade already. Say isn't that one of Henry Fords old tricks? Deplete the existing inventory before making any new changes. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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The units we have in the yard are standard transmission , not standard parts. Yes the new parts were implimented with the DA models.
 
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It was my understanding after talking with the dealer that the pivot arm was changed during production to fix the weld problem, then the larger spring was subsequently installed on the DA models. Mine works better after the new spring, not perfect but better. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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<font color="blue">The units we have in the yard are standard transmission , not standard parts. Yes the new parts were implimented with the DA models.
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I guess I was tired. When you said standard, I immediately thought original parts. DUH, senior moment for me I guess. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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NH wants us to change the pivot if we are putting the new spring on older units, the ones that were put together before the completely welded pivot came out.
 
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I wanted to post a follow-up since I had the spring upgrade added to my TC-40D. When I got the tractor back from the dealer weeks ago the spring tension was set at midpoint. Quite frankly the HST pedal felt easier to push and I didn't see any improvement over the sticking HST pedal problem.

I have since increased the spring tension to about 90% and there is a BIG difference in the pedal pressure and now the HST pedals return to the neutral position very quickly. I am now satisfied that this issue has been resolved, I am now a happy camper. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am now a happy camper. )</font>

You have HST pedals on your camper? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


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I bought, yes bought the spring for my TC40D just to try it seeing as I don't have too much trouble with the pedals sticking. My tractor is old enough to have the phase 2 pivot shaft being that it is completely welded at the hydro end but only welded on one side at the B shaped part, so I have not put it on so I don't risk breaking the pivot shaft unexpectedly. I just can't quite convince myself to get a new pivot and install it. Jinman, want to visit NY, I'll let you use my tools?! I could take the existing one off and weld it myself, but if I go through all that I'd rather put a new one on just so I can blame NH if the new one fails. Plus I'm just having too much fun doing projects with the tractor right now seeing as it has dried up quite a bit! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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On the class 2 boomers a spacer has been added to either side of the return spring to increase the spring force part number sba026109105 became available Jan 05. On the Class 3 a heavier return spring part number 87300242 with 20% more return force is being used on the new DA model and can be retrofited to the older models by replacing the pivot shaft which is part number 87300017.

I know, guilty as charged for resurrecting an ancient thread but I have a good reason, really. :) Spring (no pun intended) maintenance on my TC25D will happen soon and my wife was 'offering' to help me with tractoring chores. :eek: I put more hours on my tractor this winter plowing snow than I ever have and I think some guilt was kicking in for her. I've grown used to simply sliding my foot back and tapping the reverse end of the treadle to center it, but I'd rather fix this problem then hope my wife does the same.

Spencer200 mentions part number sba026109105 as a spacer to fix this problem on Class II Boomers. I looked the part up at Messicks and it's described as a Washer, cost of 48 cents each. Have any Class II owners installed this 'fix' and is the spacer really just a washer?
 
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I know, guilty as charged for resurrecting an ancient thread but I have a good reason, really. :) Spring (no pun intended) maintenance on my TC25D will happen soon and my wife was 'offering' to help me with tractoring chores. :eek: I put more hours on my tractor this winter plowing snow than I ever have and I think some guilt was kicking in for her. I've grown used to simply sliding my foot back and tapping the reverse end of the treadle to center it, but I'd rather fix this problem then hope my wife does the same.

Spencer200 mentions part number sba026109105 as a spacer to fix this problem on Class II Boomers. I looked the part up at Messicks and it's described as a Washer, cost of 48 cents each. Have any Class II owners installed this 'fix' and is the spacer really just a washer?

Yes Mike, get if fixed. Yesterday, while out plowing snow, I RAN INTO a large tree with my tractor! I was returning up my driveway, which is rather steep, to make another downward pass, when Bessy wouldn't stop. I moved my foot to hit reverse, but being in Range II, wasn't quick enough. Luckily the collision point was near the edge of the front tire (filled with Rimguard) and so both the tire and the bark of the tree gave. Still quite a shock to me and the tractor. I was pleasantly surprised however the tire didn't blow or come off the bead. What a mess that would have made!

I was quite shaken by all this. Although I've noticed the problem before, it has never been this bad. Probably was elevated by the following:

- in Range II and rabbit, more load on tranny
- cold - about 20 degrees, grease in adjusting pivot (forward/reverse neutral positioning cam) might have been thicker
- grease in rocker wheel (rides on the B shaped part) and shown in Jim Inman's photo might have been thick and old too
- high RPMs so probably at max tranny pressure
- good hill on my drive, usually I'm in Range II, but turtle, going up but I was trying to get the job done a little quicker.

Afterward, I couldn't help but think what if instead I hit one of our cars, the garage, the pole-barn, or God-forbid, someone! I'm surprised I never got a notice from NH. This is defineately a safety defect in the design!

When I pulled the tractor back in the barn (fortueately, a little-bit heated) I crawled under it looking for some sign of what may have made this worse or contributed. Nothing. Next I did some disassembly of the spring and roller arm, but nothing really. A little rust on the surface of the roller, but it still turned relatively (but somewhat hard) freely. The arm came off (but I lost my neutral hydro position, as I didn't think to mark it) without any difficulty and I noted that I'd been doing a good job of keeping fresh grease in the pivot.

In case you all didn't know, that roller that we've been talking about keeping lubed, is actually nothing more than a sealed-bearing pressed in place on the arm. A Fafnir 202P bearing to be exact. I'm not sure if lubing the outside is really doing much, but I take everyone's word for it! Anyway, with the arm off, I gently pried off the seal of the bearing to look inside. Yes, there was grease in there, but 10+ year old grease, and it looked kind of stiff and a little dried out, so as a temporaty fix, I added a few drops of synthetic oil and it defineately made the bearing much easier and smoother to turn. I popped the seal back on and installed it and reinstalled the arm and set the spring tension to max. Then, I jacked the tractor up, re-zeroed the tranny so it didn't creep forward or reverse with no pedal pressure and tightened the bolt (the one that goes through the cam) to finish. Then I applied some oil to the other moving parts that make of the pedal linkage. I didn't however take if for a test drive as we're supposed to get more snow tomorrow, so I think I'll have plenty of opportunity then. It dees seem that it all moves more freely (pretty subjective I know at this point), but I also could sense the added spring pressure. Hope my foot doesn't tire.

I'm going to be looking for a new bearing/roller (think these about $10 - $15 aftermarket) but would like to hear about other fixes. Has anyone thought of adding a second spring, maybe just to pull the forward pedal back?

I'm curious too as to how an added "spacer" is going to fix anything. Without a picture or sketch, I just can't visualize. Thoughts/comments?
 
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