HST pedals: rocker or separate?

[aczlan]

Why anyone would pin separate brakes together is a mystery to me and I sure would be inclined to separate them.

I pin the brakes when driving down the road so that I only have to hit one pedal to stop.

I was wishing I had the brakes on the L3830 unlocked tonight when I was pulling a monster (10-14k enclosed trailer) out of the muddy yard where it was resisting the best attempts of a '04 E350 Diesel to remove it. They estimated that it had 1500# of tongue weight and while the tractor picked it up, I had to have someone standing on the nose of the tractor to get enough grip to steer with.

Aaron Z

 

[TripleR]

I pin the brakes when driving down the road so that I only have to hit one pedal to stop.

I was wishing I had the brakes on the L3830 unlocked tonight when I was pulling a monster (10-14k enclosed trailer) out of the muddy yard where it was resisting the best attempts of a '04 E350 Diesel to remove it. They estimated that it had 1500# of tongue weight and while the tractor picked it up, I had to have someone standing on the nose of the tractor to get enough grip to steer with.

Aaron Z

My understanding was that the brakes were permanently pinned.

"This is actually an issue I brought up with my dealer while going through the buying process. I also pointed out that on Kioti CK 30 tractors (I'm assuming the entire CK line), both pedals are pinned together and you can't push them independently. My dealer kind of agreed without saying much and said he wasn't really sure how you'd be able to use them. I'll look again, but my recollection is also that it would not be easy to unpin them, but I can't remember why. At this point, I'm not sure my tractor is even equipped with independent brakes."

On our tractors, you flip a lever to lock them together or separate. I have them locked together the majority of the time and separate only when needed.

Now my son keeps them separated unless he is transporting.

This leads to some surprises if we don't know the other has been driving one.

 

[kiotiken]

On our tractors, you flip a lever to lock them together or separate.

That makes sense to me. Mine is not so easy which makes me think that the tractor might not have independent brakes and it's just re-using parts from some of the bigger tractors that do have independent brakes. I will separate them one of these days to find out.

Maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully in my previous post, but it comes from a bit of frustration I have about the issue. I would like to be able to use steering brakes and I'd really like to know how you're supposed to use them on an HST when they are on the right side. Setting the cruise doesn't make sense because it comes off as soon as you hit the brake, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't be an option on a 100' rink (the only place I'd ever use them). Maybe it's just there for gear tractors?

 

[k0ua]

That makes sense to me. Mine is not so easy which makes me think that the tractor might not have independent brakes and it's just re-using parts from some of the bigger tractors that do have independent brakes. I will separate them one of these days to find out.

Maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully in my previous post, but it comes from a bit of frustration I have about the issue. I would like to be able to use steering brakes and I'd really like to know how you're supposed to use them on an HST when they are on the right side. Setting the cruise doesn't make sense because it comes off as soon as you hit the brake, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't be an option on a 100' rink (the only place I'd ever use them). Maybe it's just there for gear tractors?

I dont know about the Kioti but on my Kubota you can set the cruise and as long as you don't push both brakes together it will stay set. You can push one or the other of the split brakes and it will work for you. However you cannot set the cruise in reverse, so that method of split braking does not work in reverse.

James K0UA

 

[kiotiken]

I dont know about the Kioti but on my Kubota you can set the cruise and as long as you don't push both brakes together it will stay set. You can push one or the other of the split brakes and it will work for you. However you cannot set the cruise in reverse, so that method of split braking does not work in reverse.

James K0UA

Thanks, I'll give it a try. Unfortunately, that method won't do me much good flooding my rink, but I guess they can't design a tractor for every job.

 

[TripleR]

That makes sense to me. Mine is not so easy which makes me think that the tractor might not have independent brakes and it's just re-using parts from some of the bigger tractors that do have independent brakes. I will separate them one of these days to find out.

Maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully in my previous post, but it comes from a bit of frustration I have about the issue. I would like to be able to use steering brakes and I'd really like to know how you're supposed to use them on an HST when they are on the right side. Setting the cruise doesn't make sense because it comes off as soon as you hit the brake, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't be an option on a 100' rink (the only place I'd ever use them). Maybe it's just there for gear tractors?

Due to the diversity of design between makes and even models within makes, it is next to impossible to make a blanket statement, so we often confuse each other often without realizing it.

On our L5030 HSTC, the cruise control is side by side on the left with the HST range selector. The cruise control is a lever that you can use to set the HST pedal or when going forward, in lieu of the HST pedal, so you can use the lever to apply power while using your right foot on the steering brakes.

As pointed out by James, applying on brake or the other will not disengage cruise, only applying both at the same time will, so use of steering brakes works the same or similar to a geared unit.

While it is not OEM, I have a user installed option for going in reverse. I use my cane to control the HST and right foot for the brakes.

The extent of my Kioti knowledge pretty much ends with the color, so I have no idea how they work.

I can understand your frustration though as while I don't use my steering brakes much, I like to have the option.

I have noticed some John Deeres do not have steering brakes either, but I don't know which models.

 

[crazyal]

Honestly I find steering with the brakes only work about half the time I need it. The other times the tire I'm trying to prevent turning just skids. With 4wd I really don't use it that much.

 

[TripleR]

Honestly I find steering with the brakes only work about half the time I need it. The other times the tire I'm trying to prevent turning just skids. With 4wd I really don't use it that much.

I know what you mean and addressed this point on a thread a year ago; we have had a couple of tractors like that. Our Massey Ferguson 375 has turf tires and using turning brakes on it just doesn't work.

There are a lot of factors to consider, but most people seem to just make blanket assumptions.

 

[FastPauly]

I wonder....why is it that the pedals in automobiles are designed to have the heal of the operators foot planted to the floor for both acceleration and braking? Is it perhaps a proven ergonomic design that promotes better control and reducing fatigue of the extremity the foot is attached to? :confused2:

 

[chelydra]

Finally got a chance to try driving the JD 1026R and the BX2660. I much prefer the single treadle of the Kioti, where the foot can stay in one place and just rock back and forth for forward/reverse. Seems as natural to me as Bobcat-type loader controls, which I picked up in about a minute. Caterpillar loader system is elegant, but (for me) not intuitive.

I realize, however, that other systems are probably better suited to "normal" tractor tacks like mowing and tilling, where there isn't so much rapid footwork. I guess the designers have to make it "good enough" for most potential users, even if not quite ideal for some.

I have big feet - well,actually, I like to think they're normal: one foot long! - and the Kubota spacing is just a little too wide to bridge, but narrow enough that I could get stuck under one end or the other. I like the machine generally, but that might be the deciding factor. The JD side-by-side is less intuitive for me - especially with "forward" on the left where the brake pedal goes in a car! I really don't understand that design choice, but I guess it must be best for most users or they wouldn't do it that way.

In any case, I sure appreciate the hydro,however actuated! No way I'd get a tractor for close loader work if I had to use manual shifting for all the delicate back-and forth.

-chelydra