jimmoore
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JAG, I didn't know that Ronald McDonald carried a hatchet in his baggy pants!!
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HUNTERS BEWARE!!!
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Hi Gerard,
Your bb-gun remark struck a chord. I am also a not-proud-to-admit-it childhood havoc-wreaker.
Perhaps our atonement can be found in teaching our own and other's kids the greater respect for other living creatures that we have learned along the way!
Traveling ANY path leaves us with knowledge to share...right way/wrong way/better way, etc.
Most of my hunting is with a camera these days. If my "woodsman's skills" need exercise, I feel that if I can squeeze a shutter release while holding steady on a "target', then I could have squeezed a trigger just as well. And the same tracking, approach, game knowledge, etc. were involved in the accomplishment.
If meat for the table was not my objective, then how much nicer to have left a fine animal to his place in the woods, for others to perhaps enjoy seeing too, and still take home a "trophy" to display and enjoy in my home.
(not to mention the privilege of "hunting" out-of-season, and in "closed" areas, with much less chance of being shot by some "hunter" careless enough to be undeserving of the name.)
Hope this comment will not be seen as a violation of my stated intent not to "bicker" over the hunting/non-hunting issue
Larry
Your bb-gun remark struck a chord. I am also a not-proud-to-admit-it childhood havoc-wreaker.
Perhaps our atonement can be found in teaching our own and other's kids the greater respect for other living creatures that we have learned along the way!
Traveling ANY path leaves us with knowledge to share...right way/wrong way/better way, etc.
Most of my hunting is with a camera these days. If my "woodsman's skills" need exercise, I feel that if I can squeeze a shutter release while holding steady on a "target', then I could have squeezed a trigger just as well. And the same tracking, approach, game knowledge, etc. were involved in the accomplishment.
If meat for the table was not my objective, then how much nicer to have left a fine animal to his place in the woods, for others to perhaps enjoy seeing too, and still take home a "trophy" to display and enjoy in my home.
(not to mention the privilege of "hunting" out-of-season, and in "closed" areas, with much less chance of being shot by some "hunter" careless enough to be undeserving of the name.)
Hope this comment will not be seen as a violation of my stated intent not to "bicker" over the hunting/non-hunting issue
Larry
glennmac
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Good points, all.
I don't believe these "controversial" subjects have a divisive effect. First, I don't even think they are controversial; they are things people talk about all over the world everyday. Second, they are only occasional here. Third, anyone who is not interested in any topic can simply ignore the thread or any given post. Fourth, I think a lot of regulars come here for more than just tractor stuff; its like the front porch of the general store, where discussions range wide and tangents are frequent. Fifth, I agree with ihsmith (super post!), however, that this board is not the forum for a continuing discussion or argument about these issues. Fifth, the evolving custom on this forum is very civilized: those who feel like doing so state a view; others respond the same or differently, or with an althernative perspective; everyone respects each other and the diversity of viewpoints; and then we go on to the tractoring threads that make up 90+% of the topics.
Just to clarify, in my philosophical musing, as I would characterize it, I did accept all forms of killing for food purposes.
Glenn
I don't believe these "controversial" subjects have a divisive effect. First, I don't even think they are controversial; they are things people talk about all over the world everyday. Second, they are only occasional here. Third, anyone who is not interested in any topic can simply ignore the thread or any given post. Fourth, I think a lot of regulars come here for more than just tractor stuff; its like the front porch of the general store, where discussions range wide and tangents are frequent. Fifth, I agree with ihsmith (super post!), however, that this board is not the forum for a continuing discussion or argument about these issues. Fifth, the evolving custom on this forum is very civilized: those who feel like doing so state a view; others respond the same or differently, or with an althernative perspective; everyone respects each other and the diversity of viewpoints; and then we go on to the tractoring threads that make up 90+% of the topics.
Just to clarify, in my philosophical musing, as I would characterize it, I did accept all forms of killing for food purposes.
Glenn
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While it may be true that a portion hunting license fees are used for wild life research,to say that "When it comes to paying for wildlife research, no one has contributed more than hunters." is very misleading. The license fees are not contributed by hunters, instead the hunters are charged for the hunting license and have no more say than non-hunters in how this money is spent.
I have nothing against the act of hunting or fishing if it is done for food or other legitimate reason.
I do have complaints about both hunters and fisherman behavior. Maybe it is a small minority or maybe a larger percentage but both hunters and fisherman trespass on my private property, which is posted, on a regular basis. They walk right past the signs, sometimes rip the signs down, bend over my fences and leave trash. The fisherman leave the most trash including bait containers, food wrappers, fishing line and dead fish on the banks of the stream. They sometimes flip over every rock in sight looking for worms.
Every year there are hunting "accidents" where people, dogs, cows, houses and combines are shot. None of these things look like deer. A few years back a woman was shot in her own yard next to the house while hanging her laundry out to dry. They let the guy go, still free to hunt. This kind of thing happens all the time.
I love to walk and hike in the woods. I do it year round. My favorite time of year is fall, but I am afraid of all these hunters that shoot first and look second.
Andy
I have nothing against the act of hunting or fishing if it is done for food or other legitimate reason.
I do have complaints about both hunters and fisherman behavior. Maybe it is a small minority or maybe a larger percentage but both hunters and fisherman trespass on my private property, which is posted, on a regular basis. They walk right past the signs, sometimes rip the signs down, bend over my fences and leave trash. The fisherman leave the most trash including bait containers, food wrappers, fishing line and dead fish on the banks of the stream. They sometimes flip over every rock in sight looking for worms.
Every year there are hunting "accidents" where people, dogs, cows, houses and combines are shot. None of these things look like deer. A few years back a woman was shot in her own yard next to the house while hanging her laundry out to dry. They let the guy go, still free to hunt. This kind of thing happens all the time.
I love to walk and hike in the woods. I do it year round. My favorite time of year is fall, but I am afraid of all these hunters that shoot first and look second.
Andy
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Andy,
I also recall a women being shot by a hunter couple years ago and I think it was in the state of Maine.
My land isn't posted for I to hike on others people land and it wouldn't be fair to post,but I will say this as I seen over the years....posted signs only keeps the honest & caring hunters and fishman off the land...and those are the type I would want on my land!!
Each I lose between 5 to 9 blue spruces xmas trees to tree jackers as I call them...heck I caught one family cutting down a tree about 100' from my front door and they were park in my driveway. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif
The excuse the father and mother gave me was " they heard you wouldn't mine" & " and whats one tree". /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif
I let them have the tree only because there children were there,and if the children hadn't been there I would have call the police department.
The point is yes we have our good and bad,but it does start at home raising our children w/ morals.
If you don't want it done to you,than don't do it to others....thats what I believe in!!
Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
I also recall a women being shot by a hunter couple years ago and I think it was in the state of Maine.
My land isn't posted for I to hike on others people land and it wouldn't be fair to post,but I will say this as I seen over the years....posted signs only keeps the honest & caring hunters and fishman off the land...and those are the type I would want on my land!!
Each I lose between 5 to 9 blue spruces xmas trees to tree jackers as I call them...heck I caught one family cutting down a tree about 100' from my front door and they were park in my driveway. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif
The excuse the father and mother gave me was " they heard you wouldn't mine" & " and whats one tree". /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif
I let them have the tree only because there children were there,and if the children hadn't been there I would have call the police department.
The point is yes we have our good and bad,but it does start at home raising our children w/ morals.
If you don't want it done to you,than don't do it to others....thats what I believe in!!
Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
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Andy,
What you are talking about hunter and fisherman behavior is a real problem here in VT. That is why so much property is posted here. There are some political reason too.
The disrespectful ones think that someone owes them usually have a BIG head on their shoulders.
The behavior problem, I feel, is from a lack of respect. These problem hunters probably have a hard time with respect in other parts of their lifes. It's like water running down a dirt road. Once it build a channel it just keeps digging it deeper. Unless someone comes and helps rechannel the water.
A freind of mime lives in the woods and has "safety zone" signs around his house. Every year a hunter(s) shot at the saftey zone sign! His land isn't even posted!
I too like to walk in the woods with my dog (not during rifle season). I love the fall after the foilage is down, you can see better. But I get really nervous when in the woods during rifle season, even with a gun, when there are other hunter around. These "hunters" that shot at sound and movement is pretty scary!
Derek
What you are talking about hunter and fisherman behavior is a real problem here in VT. That is why so much property is posted here. There are some political reason too.
The disrespectful ones think that someone owes them usually have a BIG head on their shoulders.
The behavior problem, I feel, is from a lack of respect. These problem hunters probably have a hard time with respect in other parts of their lifes. It's like water running down a dirt road. Once it build a channel it just keeps digging it deeper. Unless someone comes and helps rechannel the water.
A freind of mime lives in the woods and has "safety zone" signs around his house. Every year a hunter(s) shot at the saftey zone sign! His land isn't even posted!
I too like to walk in the woods with my dog (not during rifle season). I love the fall after the foilage is down, you can see better. But I get really nervous when in the woods during rifle season, even with a gun, when there are other hunter around. These "hunters" that shot at sound and movement is pretty scary!
Derek
ERNIEB
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Andy, I don't think the statement is at all misleading. Rather than argue over the meaning of the word contribute, I'll rephrase it. Wildlife research, management, and conservation costs money. In the United States, the majority of this money is coming from hunters. The last figures I saw were $745.2 million from hunters, and when combined with fishermen and trappers it goes up to $1.3 billion. I doubt that there are very many people who are happy about paying fees and taxes. Happily or not, the fact remains, that hunters do pay them. The fact that they have no more say in how the money is spent than non hunters do, is really beside the point.
The main point of my response was that what wild we have left needs to be managed. The idea that we can just let nature take it's course is misguided and short sighted. Hunting provides a needed management tool and the much needed dollars. Most of us who enjoying watching or photographing wildlife are not paying a fair share, unless we too are buying a license and a duck stamp.
A little off the subject, but in my opinion, people who trespass, or take game illegially are not hunters. They are poachers, criminals. IMO, Calling them hunters is about the same as calling a bank robber, a customer.
ErnieB
The main point of my response was that what wild we have left needs to be managed. The idea that we can just let nature take it's course is misguided and short sighted. Hunting provides a needed management tool and the much needed dollars. Most of us who enjoying watching or photographing wildlife are not paying a fair share, unless we too are buying a license and a duck stamp.
A little off the subject, but in my opinion, people who trespass, or take game illegially are not hunters. They are poachers, criminals. IMO, Calling them hunters is about the same as calling a bank robber, a customer.
ErnieB
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ErnieB, you are right about where the money comes from. A few years ago a down in Texas there was a group that was trying to disrupt duck hunting. They were going out and chasing hunters around. I made some remarks against this and got to do some townhall meetings against this group. The short of it is those "do gooders" could not close to making .001% of the money that comes for hunters in state.. I would say the best you could would to buy a hunting license as more of the money would go to help wildlife than any dues they paid into this organization, by their own statements all their money went out to publicly stop hunting. Best, buy a federal duck stamp, almost all the money goes to buy and maintain wet lands and breeding grounds.
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I see no reason to explain why I hunt to you or anyone else. I respect the animals in a hunters way. They are never wasted nor wantonly destroyed. I quail hunt and the love of watching the dog work ismy main pleasure. The quail I eat tastes good. Natural mortality would have removed it anyway. It is a quick humane death. There even tho I dont have to explain, take a moment and listen to me. Iam not a blood hungry monster, my love to hunt is ingrained from my father , his father, etc. As long as we respect and hunt within the game laws give us hunters a break
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Larry,
I enjoyed your post. And I agree that this site has one of the most congenial groups on the web.
I think my attitudes on hunters and hunting is best summed up in recalling a few scenes from the movie "Dances With Wolves."
Hunting can be ugly and shameful and spiritually depressing as depicted in a prairie littered with the rotting carcasses of buffalo, slain only for their hides. And hunting can be a beautiful, spiritually uplifing, enobling ritual as depicted in the Lakota's buffalo hunt.
The difference is in the hunter -- not the hunting. It is a matter of an individual's awareness and respect for his oneness with all things.
So does an awareness and respect for our oneness allow congeniality to prevail when discussing "controversial" topics. Good thread.
Huck
I enjoyed your post. And I agree that this site has one of the most congenial groups on the web.
I think my attitudes on hunters and hunting is best summed up in recalling a few scenes from the movie "Dances With Wolves."
Hunting can be ugly and shameful and spiritually depressing as depicted in a prairie littered with the rotting carcasses of buffalo, slain only for their hides. And hunting can be a beautiful, spiritually uplifing, enobling ritual as depicted in the Lakota's buffalo hunt.
The difference is in the hunter -- not the hunting. It is a matter of an individual's awareness and respect for his oneness with all things.
So does an awareness and respect for our oneness allow congeniality to prevail when discussing "controversial" topics. Good thread.
Huck
