jimmoore
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GLENN. Just ignore that post from the unregistered [censored] who does not have the balls to make a strong statement and identify himself. I understand what you were saying. JIM
HUNTERS BEWARE!!!
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Thomas
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Sir,
Seems that your upset??
Instead of posting such comments maybe you should send a email..even to me!!
Statements in which you made affects just about everyone on this board, so I'm asking you to show more respect....okay.
Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Seems that your upset??
Instead of posting such comments maybe you should send a email..even to me!!
Statements in which you made affects just about everyone on this board, so I'm asking you to show more respect....okay.
Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
Bird
Rest in Peace
Glenn, I agree with the other guys; you just have to ignore the ????? unregistered nut; sounds like one of those who would want to kill just for the fun of killing.
I've been reading all these hunting messages, so guess I'll put in my 2 cents worth. I grew up in the country; got my first .22 rifle AND a 12 ga. shotgun when I was 10 years old. I hunted rabbits, squirrels, bullfrogs, and birds to eat! We didn't have larger game in our area back then. We also raised pigs, calves, and chickens which we slaughtered ourselves, and I hated killing them. I've only shot one deer in my life, in 1963. But I may hate the killing almost as much as you do, and I haven't gone hunting in 28 years now. I also raised domestic rabbits for a couple of years; got rid of all of them two years ago. I slaughtered a lot of them to eat; hated it every time, but sure did enjoy the eating.
I DO eat meat and like a lot of varieties of it!
So now, if I could kill my own meat cheaper than I could buy it in the grocery store, I'd probably do it, but as long as I can leave the killing (and the work of processing it) to someone else, I'll do that.
I have absolutely no use for "trophy" hunters who only want the trophy and waste the meat, and I have no use for anyone who enjoys killing or injuring another person or animal, but I don't blame anyone who hunts or kills for food or to protect themselves, their crops, or their property.
Bird
I've been reading all these hunting messages, so guess I'll put in my 2 cents worth. I grew up in the country; got my first .22 rifle AND a 12 ga. shotgun when I was 10 years old. I hunted rabbits, squirrels, bullfrogs, and birds to eat! We didn't have larger game in our area back then. We also raised pigs, calves, and chickens which we slaughtered ourselves, and I hated killing them. I've only shot one deer in my life, in 1963. But I may hate the killing almost as much as you do, and I haven't gone hunting in 28 years now. I also raised domestic rabbits for a couple of years; got rid of all of them two years ago. I slaughtered a lot of them to eat; hated it every time, but sure did enjoy the eating.
I DO eat meat and like a lot of varieties of it!
So now, if I could kill my own meat cheaper than I could buy it in the grocery store, I'd probably do it, but as long as I can leave the killing (and the work of processing it) to someone else, I'll do that.
I have absolutely no use for "trophy" hunters who only want the trophy and waste the meat, and I have no use for anyone who enjoys killing or injuring another person or animal, but I don't blame anyone who hunts or kills for food or to protect themselves, their crops, or their property.
Bird
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Re: HUNTERS BEWARE!!! *DELETED*
Muhammad, Thank you for keeping this forum clean. If one of your do not like what is on the forum, please go somewhere that will make you happy.... Again thanks Muhammad.
Muhammad, Thank you for keeping this forum clean. If one of your do not like what is on the forum, please go somewhere that will make you happy.... Again thanks Muhammad.
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I too am not fond of a proster who blasts someone but doesn't sign his name. Kind of like someone in the KKK. Big talk, big threats, big opinions...all from someone wearing a mask. However, I strongly feel they have the right to speak, and should not be sensored or "deleted"! Under freedom of speech no one ever said you had to sign your name. So I don't think the unregistered poster should be sensored, or only "registered members" (those in the club)should be allowed to make posts. As the saying goes, I will defend your right to fly the American flag, as well as burn it in protest.
Glen, can't say I agree with you about the subjects of hunting, guns, abortion, and probably religion. But you sure have the right to voice your opinion.
I, like most on this board, grew up hunting but don't any more. I think hunters have a right to hunt. People hunt for different reasons. Some hunt for the meat, some for the sport, some to just be in the woods away from everything and alone with their thoughts, etc.
As I said, I don't hunt and don't mind thoes who do...as long as they don't infringe on my rights. I, along with my neighbors, have a chunk of property. Most of us own 30 to 80 acres. Four of us don't allow hunting on our land, one does. She has about 50 acres. She allows her Brother-in-Law to hunt. Unfortunatly he brings a lot of his friends. They have little reguard for who's property they are on, and usually claim ignorance. What I don't like is that I have horses, a dog, etc. and I don't want someone shooting across my property with a 3006. Last year one of my neighbors had a cow shot.
Last year I tried to be polite to the trespassers. This year I've taken a different approach. I spend a good bit of my mornin's and evenin's in the woods. I've only caught one fella so far. I figure trespassers can have a long talk with the game warden and get a fine. Word will get out quickly enough.
One other problem I've noticed during hutting season. I live on a little country road. Lots of timber company land around us which folks hunt on. Again, I don't have a problem with that. But I do notice tons more trash on the roadside during hunting season...beer cans, Skole cans, jerky wrappers, Styrofoam coffee cups, etc. Growing up I hunted at Fort Rucker, Alabama. One time I dropped my candy wrapper on the ground. I think I still have the knot on my head that my dad gave me. Hope more hunters remember to pack out what they pack in.
Glen, can't say I agree with you about the subjects of hunting, guns, abortion, and probably religion. But you sure have the right to voice your opinion.
I, like most on this board, grew up hunting but don't any more. I think hunters have a right to hunt. People hunt for different reasons. Some hunt for the meat, some for the sport, some to just be in the woods away from everything and alone with their thoughts, etc.
As I said, I don't hunt and don't mind thoes who do...as long as they don't infringe on my rights. I, along with my neighbors, have a chunk of property. Most of us own 30 to 80 acres. Four of us don't allow hunting on our land, one does. She has about 50 acres. She allows her Brother-in-Law to hunt. Unfortunatly he brings a lot of his friends. They have little reguard for who's property they are on, and usually claim ignorance. What I don't like is that I have horses, a dog, etc. and I don't want someone shooting across my property with a 3006. Last year one of my neighbors had a cow shot.
Last year I tried to be polite to the trespassers. This year I've taken a different approach. I spend a good bit of my mornin's and evenin's in the woods. I've only caught one fella so far. I figure trespassers can have a long talk with the game warden and get a fine. Word will get out quickly enough.
One other problem I've noticed during hutting season. I live on a little country road. Lots of timber company land around us which folks hunt on. Again, I don't have a problem with that. But I do notice tons more trash on the roadside during hunting season...beer cans, Skole cans, jerky wrappers, Styrofoam coffee cups, etc. Growing up I hunted at Fort Rucker, Alabama. One time I dropped my candy wrapper on the ground. I think I still have the knot on my head that my dad gave me. Hope more hunters remember to pack out what they pack in.
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Looks like I was too late with my 1st post. I wrote most of my first post this morning early, but didn't finish it until now. Once I got back on the board the post in question had been deleted. Oh well.
Guess the other thing to say is that this is a private board. As such the owner can do as he pleases. Muhammad has every right to sensor his board. I do not say this as a smart aleck, I really believe this. Goes back to it's my land, I paid for it and pay the taxes. Don't tell me what I can or can't cut down, change, or move.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Billc on 10/25/00 10:57 AM.</FONT></P>
Guess the other thing to say is that this is a private board. As such the owner can do as he pleases. Muhammad has every right to sensor his board. I do not say this as a smart aleck, I really believe this. Goes back to it's my land, I paid for it and pay the taxes. Don't tell me what I can or can't cut down, change, or move.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by Billc on 10/25/00 10:57 AM.</FONT></P>
I've been to a number of forums where tidbits of worthwhile information could be ferreted from the rubble of the trash talk. This particular forum was a breath of fresh air, with a wealth of good information about tractors and a wealth of good humor and goodwill among its contributors.
If I'm Muhammed, and it's my money and time invested in creating and maintaining this forum, I'd be quick to enforce the rules. And, it seems to me that insults aimed at silencing contributers goes a long way toward impeding free speech.
Huck
aka Brian McMahon (anonimity seems counter-productive here)
If I'm Muhammed, and it's my money and time invested in creating and maintaining this forum, I'd be quick to enforce the rules. And, it seems to me that insults aimed at silencing contributers goes a long way toward impeding free speech.
Huck
aka Brian McMahon (anonimity seems counter-productive here)
Howdy folks,
The topic of whether to kill animals, or not, is contentious to say the least. GlenMac (lawyer that he is, and harbinger of disputations -g-) seems to get in the middle of topics that are BOUND to generate friction: politics, hunting, etc. I happen to agree that his topic posts go a bit wide of the mark at times, and he seems to post very little directly to do with tractors. Still, most of us are not just tractor owners, and while his posts skirt the topic of tractor equipment, projects and repairs, they do address the larger issue of the "lifestyle" most of us live, or at least seek---the notion of having a piece of land, and doing whatever we d*** well please on it. Being immersed in nature, taking care of our own, and enjoying the bounties of nature (the notion of a kind of idealized "Eden") is surely the most enduring image and yearning in human beings, and certainly in its Literature.
Our own egos and prejudices are going to make sensible discussion difficult on this topic. I got out a book by the poet James Dickey.
For those of you unfamiliar with the writing of James Dickey, he is probably best known for his hairy-scary backwoods thriller "Deliverance," a bestselling novel that was later made into a blockbuster movie (you probably all have seen it).
James Dickey (who died a couple of years ago) was perhaps America's most gifted poet of the past 50 years. His poetry is published as "The Whole Motion: Collected Poems 1945-1992", Wesleyan University Press, 1992, ISBN: 0-8195-1218-4. A native of Georgia, and former ad man with McCann Erickson agency in New York (he authored the famous slogan "Things Go Better with Coke."), Dickey was hard to characterize. A fighter pilot in WWII, he was an avid outdoorsman, and wrote many poems about ourselves and our relationship to Nature.
He is one I originally read about 30 years ago, and as poetry often does, it can say a lot to us about the issue of animals and hunting.
Originally published in the volume "Drowning with Others."
By James Dickey
The Heaven of Animals
Here they are. The soft eyes open.
If they have lived in a wood
It is a wood.
If they have lived on plains
It is grass rolling
Under their feet forever.
Having no souls, they have come,
Anyway, beyond their knowing.
Their instincts wholly bloom
And they rise.
The soft eyes open.
To match them, the landscape flowers,
Outdoing, desperately
Outdoing what is required:
The richest wood,
The deepest field.
For some of these,
It could not be the place
It is, without blood.
These hunt, as they have done,
But with claws and teeth grown perfect,
More deadly than they can believe.
They stalk more silently,
And crouch on the limbs of trees,
And their descent
Upon the bright backs of their prey
May take years
In a sovereign floating of joy.
And those that are hunted
Know this as their life,
Their reward: to walk
Under such trees in full knowledge
Of what is in glory above them,
And to feel no fear,
But acceptance, compliance.
Fulfilling themselves without pain
At the cycle's center,
They tremble, they walk
Under the tree,
They fall, they are torn,
They rise, they walk again.
BobT.
A Indiana Boy
The topic of whether to kill animals, or not, is contentious to say the least. GlenMac (lawyer that he is, and harbinger of disputations -g-) seems to get in the middle of topics that are BOUND to generate friction: politics, hunting, etc. I happen to agree that his topic posts go a bit wide of the mark at times, and he seems to post very little directly to do with tractors. Still, most of us are not just tractor owners, and while his posts skirt the topic of tractor equipment, projects and repairs, they do address the larger issue of the "lifestyle" most of us live, or at least seek---the notion of having a piece of land, and doing whatever we d*** well please on it. Being immersed in nature, taking care of our own, and enjoying the bounties of nature (the notion of a kind of idealized "Eden") is surely the most enduring image and yearning in human beings, and certainly in its Literature.
Our own egos and prejudices are going to make sensible discussion difficult on this topic. I got out a book by the poet James Dickey.
For those of you unfamiliar with the writing of James Dickey, he is probably best known for his hairy-scary backwoods thriller "Deliverance," a bestselling novel that was later made into a blockbuster movie (you probably all have seen it).
James Dickey (who died a couple of years ago) was perhaps America's most gifted poet of the past 50 years. His poetry is published as "The Whole Motion: Collected Poems 1945-1992", Wesleyan University Press, 1992, ISBN: 0-8195-1218-4. A native of Georgia, and former ad man with McCann Erickson agency in New York (he authored the famous slogan "Things Go Better with Coke."), Dickey was hard to characterize. A fighter pilot in WWII, he was an avid outdoorsman, and wrote many poems about ourselves and our relationship to Nature.
He is one I originally read about 30 years ago, and as poetry often does, it can say a lot to us about the issue of animals and hunting.
Originally published in the volume "Drowning with Others."
By James Dickey
The Heaven of Animals
Here they are. The soft eyes open.
If they have lived in a wood
It is a wood.
If they have lived on plains
It is grass rolling
Under their feet forever.
Having no souls, they have come,
Anyway, beyond their knowing.
Their instincts wholly bloom
And they rise.
The soft eyes open.
To match them, the landscape flowers,
Outdoing, desperately
Outdoing what is required:
The richest wood,
The deepest field.
For some of these,
It could not be the place
It is, without blood.
These hunt, as they have done,
But with claws and teeth grown perfect,
More deadly than they can believe.
They stalk more silently,
And crouch on the limbs of trees,
And their descent
Upon the bright backs of their prey
May take years
In a sovereign floating of joy.
And those that are hunted
Know this as their life,
Their reward: to walk
Under such trees in full knowledge
Of what is in glory above them,
And to feel no fear,
But acceptance, compliance.
Fulfilling themselves without pain
At the cycle's center,
They tremble, they walk
Under the tree,
They fall, they are torn,
They rise, they walk again.
BobT.
A Indiana Boy
