Hydraulic Box blade

flINTLOCK · Mar 17, 2007

I am going to buy a 6 foot box blade to aid in plowing very rocky soil for foodplots for deer. Tiller and moldboard plows won't work. I'm considering hydraulic scarifiers which I've read can be helpful to actually pull up larger rocks that are encountered. I'm probably only going to dig 6" at most since our topsoil layer is very thin. Digging deeper when possible only brings up more rocks. Any suggestions for most reasonably priced "quality" unit. I don't mind spending for quality up to a point. I should add that I'm working with NH TC40 DA HST with FEL and 2 rear remotes.

wushaw · Mar 17, 2007

I recommend this manufacture of hydraulic Box Blades. Home Page

john_bud · Mar 17, 2007

Cammond looks good on paper (never seen one in the flesh so to speak)

I have a woods manual scar bar model. They make the same model with hydraulic and it is excellent. Look in the woodsonline.com site in the CONSTRUCTION area under box scrapers.

You may also just want to get a scarifier bar and drag that around.

There was a person on this site that mated a scarifier bar to a PTO driven rototiller to protect the tiller from rocks. The thread had pictures. Worth a search.

jb

JerryG · Mar 17, 2007

Cammond has two separate designs of hydraulic box blades. The Standard duty BSH series and the Industrial 2C and 4C series. If the BSH series scrapers are lowered when the box is in use the linkage from the scrapers to the box will bend. The box must be raised off of the ground before the scrapers can be adjusted lower. Apparently the 2C and 4C models don't have this handicap.

JerryG · Mar 17, 2007

john_bud said:
There was a person on this site that mated a scarifier bar to a PTO driven rototiller to protect the tiller from rocks. The thread had pictures. Worth a search.
jb

It was MChalkley. If those you that haven't ever read his threads on modifying his Kubota, you would be in for a real treat if you like to modify things. Some of his threads didn't make one of the TBN change overs, but some of them did.

Glowplug · Mar 17, 2007

I am in the market for a good box scraper, as well as many other things, with hydraulic scarifiers as well. I am looking for something heavy duty, about 84" wide, and possibly a cat II hitch. I'm not trying to hijack the thread but add some information. In my research the three main manufacturers that have such an item are Cammond, Woods, and Gearmore. I would probably favor Woods. But I didn't think they offered hydraulically controlled scarifiers. Do they have hydraulic scarifiers in such a box scraper?

radman1 · Mar 18, 2007

IMHO, companies that make a hydraulic scarifer, usually make a very good box blade. I have a hydraulic Gannon and manual rollover Gannon scarifer box blade and both are great. The manual rollover is about 80" and weighs just over 1000 lbs and is Cat I-II. The hydraulic is a 60" and weighs about 450 lbs.
I believe Woods now owns Gannon but still uses the Gannon name on the heavier duty/hydraulic units.

MtnViewRanch · Mar 18, 2007

radman1 said:
IMHO, companies that make a hydraulic scarifer, usually make a very good box blade. I have a hydraulic Gannon and manual rollover Gannon scarifer box blade and both are great. The manual rollover is about 80" and weighs just over 1000 lbs and is Cat I-II. The hydraulic is a 60" and weighs about 450 lbs.
I believe Woods now owns Gannon but still uses the Gannon name on the heavier duty/hydraulic units.

I would have to agree with radman, pretty much any company that makes a box blade with hydraulic scarifiers is most likely to be very good quality. Gannon is owned by Woods and does still use the Gannon name. I would say that there is no better quality available, (that I know of). Very common to see on industrial tractors. I too have a Gannon 81" rollover scraper, although mine is cat II only, very pleased with it.

flINTLOCK · Mar 18, 2007

Are hydraulic scarifiers raised and lowered vertically or are they mounted on a bar that rotates them into place?

MtnViewRanch · Mar 18, 2007

flINTLOCK said:
Are hydraulic scarifiers raised and lowered vertically or are they mounted on a bar that rotates them into place?

I think that they pivot on a bar that rotates down. But I am not sure, it has been a while since I have looked at one. Radman1 can answer for sure.

It very well might be different between companies also.

wushaw · Mar 18, 2007

Here is a pict. of my Cammond 2C2-66. PictureTrail - Online Photo Sharing, Personal Homepages, Slideshows, Image Hosting

radman1 · Mar 18, 2007

flINTLOCK said:
Are hydraulic scarifiers raised and lowered vertically or are they mounted on a bar that rotates them into place?

They are mounted on a bar that rotates (at least all the ones I have seen). My gannon also has ability to manually adjust the depth of each scarifer and this is probably true with most brands. Sometimes, if the dirt is damp/wet, I can use the rotation of the hydraulic scarifer to clean out any dirt sticking to the back/sides of the boxblade.

Glowplug · Mar 18, 2007

Can you guys post some pics of the Gannon blades with hydraulic scarifiers? I had always thought the Woods brand and its subsidiarys were not available with hydraulic scarifiers. So I started looking at Gearmore and Cammond. Unfortunately none of those have local distributors. I had thought of the Cammond 4C4-84 (7 feet and 1400 pounds!!!) but it costs an arm and a leg to obtain it as a private individual. I have 2 or 3 Woods dealers within 15 miles of me.

MtnViewRanch · Mar 18, 2007

Chuck, here is the information that I have that you asked for. Unfortunately I do not have any specific pictures of my rollover scraper.

Here is a link to Gannon's industrial scraper. I have a few pics that do have my scraper shown, but only in 2 of the 3 positions. Sorry but I have none with the scraper in the back fill position,

which also is used to pull forward and smooths very very good.

The scarifiers go into the ground 10"

and depth is controlled by the 3PH. If the ground is right, it will stop my 10,000lb tractor cold.

Radman1, you have both types of scrapers, if you were to have only one, which one would you prefer?

Anyway, here are a few pics.

Haoleguy · Mar 18, 2007

Glowplug - With the Gannon box scraper I found that I had to pay shipping from California to my Woods dealer here in CT. This is not the case with the Woods products. I certainly do like mine thus far for road grooming. The only hitch I found was that you cannot reverse the scarifers and rotate them as they hit the back end of the box. The weight is i nthe same ballpark as the Cammond. If I have pics I will post them in the coming week.

MtnViewRanch · Mar 20, 2007

Glowplug said:
Can you guys post some pics of the Gannon blades with hydraulic scarifiers? I had always thought the Woods brand and its subsidiaries were not available with hydraulic scarifiers. So I started looking at Gearmore and Cammond. Unfortunately none of those have local distributors. I had thought of the Cammond 4C4-84 (7 feet and 1400 pounds!!!) but it costs an arm and a leg to obtain it as a private individual. I have 2 or 3 Woods dealers within 15 miles of me.[/quote

Glowplug, I was wondering today, just how much is an arm and a leg these days? I doubt that Gannons are going to be much different. But as with most implements & attachments, you usually get what you pay for. Your Kubota isn't going to stand for any bargains.

Good luck

john_bud · Mar 22, 2007

Glowplug said:
Can you guys post some pics of the Gannon blades with hydraulic scarifiers? I had always thought the Woods brand and its subsidiarys were not available with hydraulic scarifiers. So I started looking at Gearmore and Cammond. Unfortunately none of those have local distributors. I had thought of the Cammond 4C4-84 (7 feet and 1400 pounds!!!) but it costs an arm and a leg to obtain it as a private individual. I have 2 or 3 Woods dealers within 15 miles of me.

For the "Woods" products, the --ahem-- Men's sizes are found in the CONSTRUCTION area of the web site. ;-)

You will not be able to harm an industrial scraper that is bought in the correct HP range. The only problem, is that you need a construction quality wallet! I have been using a manual scar bar Gannon box for 6-7 years now. Bought it for the rugged construction as the soil is mixed with granite from the last glaciers and hitting a hidden multi-ton boulder can simply trash a lesser box in a heart beat.

You are in the right area of box construction with the 7' wide and 1200-1400 pounds. Mine is 5 1/2' wide and in the 900 pound region. There are times when more weight is desired.

Oh, my box was build for the order out of KS or Iowa. The paint had a few runs and they were still wet when I loaded it on the trailer. They did goof with the build and made it with thicker material than the spec lists. "oh darn!". The dealer did NOT bump the price for shipping. It was sent with his regular order - if they try and sock you with extra shipping it's only to screw you. IMHO

jb

gabby · Mar 22, 2007

MtnViewRanch said:
Chuck, here is the information that I have that you asked for. Unfortunately I do not have any specific pictures of my rollover scraper. Here is a link to Gannon's industrial scraper. I have a few pics that do have my scraper shown, but only in 2 of the 3 positions. Sorry but I have none with the scraper in the back fill position, which also is used to pull forward and smooths very very good. The scarifiers go into the ground 10" and depth is controlled by the 3PH. If the ground is right, it will stop my 10,000lb tractor cold.

Radman1, you have both types of scrapers, if you were to have only one, which one would you prefer?

Anyway, here are a few pics.

I have 2 Gannon rollover blades, a 5' wide and a 6' wide, and they're about the most versatile tools I have. No hydraulics required, just pull the lever to choose scrape forward, scarify, or scrape backward. The scrape backward position works like a charm for fine smoothing going forward because it floats with the material you're smoothing. It's more compact than a box blade and it makes a great FEL counterweight on the rear. I don't own a box blade and I have no desire for one.

myyaz33 · Jan 29, 2009

JerryG said:
Cammond has two separate designs of hydraulic box blades. The Standard duty BSH series and the Industrial 2C and 4C series. If the BSH series scrapers are lowered when the box is in use the linkage from the scrapers to the box will bend. The box must be raised off of the ground before the scrapers can be adjusted lower. Apparently the 2C and 4C models don't have this handicap.

I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to address this particular issue as I may be buying a used BSH60.

Attached is a picture of what I believe is the BSH series that have the handicap listed in the above reply. I have circled where I expect JerryG is talking about the bending.

My question is do you think welding some channel iron to the flat bar could eliminate this problem? Kinda defeats some of the purpose if you have to raise the box all the time to adjust the scarifiers.

gpflepsen · Jan 29, 2009

myyaz33 said:
I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to address this particular issue as I may be buying a used BSH60.

Attached is a picture of what I believe is the BSH series that have the handicap listed in the above reply. I have circled where I expect JerryG is talking about the bending.

My question is do you think welding some channel iron to the flat bar could eliminate this problem? Kinda defeats some of the purpose if you have to raise the box all the time to adjust the scarifiers.

If you an get access, I'd suggest welding a piece of 1/4x1-1/2 bar in line with the two pins of the links, perpendicular making a "T". That should solve the bending. You could also put it on top of the link, but a better effect will be had by keeping it symmetric.

How's that TYM treating you? I'm looking for something similar this spring.