hydraulic dump trailers

dummy · May 15, 2002

OK, you've gotten my curiosity going. A side dump sounds very innovative, yet how will you load the bobcat? Through a hinged or removeable tail board? Underbelly or side board ramp storage? On your other one, would removeable pins and dual hinges for the tail board work? I've got a goose neck and a dump would sure be convenient but one that large isn't in the budget. A makeover though could be doable. Think my 580 would be a tighter fit?

wroughtn_harv · May 15, 2002

A side dump sounds very innovative, yet how will you load the bobcat? Through a hinged or removeable tail board? Underbelly or side board ramp storage?

The gooseneck is twenty feet long. The JCB with bucket takes up the last eleven feet. It rides between the tires with the bucket riding on a widened flat spot at the end. This keeps the weight lower and it's easier for loading and unloading, closer to the ground and all that stuff.

I plan on using four foot ramps that are spring assisted fold ups.

The dump bed will occupy that nine feet between the skid steer bay and the front uprights of the gooseneck. So I'll have a nine feet by eight feet box that will dump off to the passenger side.

There are a couple of reasons behind the passenger side dump. First because I plan on the drivers side of the dump bed to be a fold down. This will allow the loading and unloading of palletized stuff. The reason for the driver's side for that is sometimes you park on the street and that's the side you can operate on without doing too much damage to the terrain with the skid steer.

Did I mention the forks for the JCB will ride behind the axles on the drivers side? I plan on them sliding in and being pinned where they'll available and yet out of the way. Across from them I plan on carrying the auger attachment. The twelve inch auger will ride over one set of tires and the sixteen will ride over the other.

And I still have that area under the dump bed where some tools can ride. Let's not forget there's also the area above the gooseneck that's just begging to become a productive part of the team.

On your other one, would removeable pins and dual hinges for the tail board work?

Good point. What most folks don't think about when they make a dump bed or trailer is that when there's a load there's some big pressure against the tail board. So all your conventional latching methods suck like a calf after a night without it's mama.

What I did to get around that is I ran a rod across the width of the bed. Some levers on that rod pulled, note, pulled L shaped rods in and out to latch the gate. It's not an original system but it does work. I've modified a couple of other fellas trailers with that latching system after they've seen mine in action.

On the passenger side of the trailer is a lever attached to the rod activating the L brackets. It cams over parallel with the bed and another little keeper comes down and locks it in place.

The logic of having the control for the tail board on the passenger side is it forces the driver to walk around the trailer and hopefully he'll see if there's a problem with dumping there. The lever and keeper pretty well insures that the lever won't accidently open at seventy on the expressway, not good.

Your mention of the sets of pins was handled by having three quarter inch bolts with nylocks for the top hinge points. You see I don't use it and didn't plan on using it much for hauling debris, just sand and such. So the tail board can be removed, just not as easily as some folks would like.

[I've got a goose neck and a dump would sure be convenient but one that large isn't in the budget. A makeover though could be doable. Think my 580 would be a tighter fit?

I think that would depend on the size of the case. (grin)

Nice tractor btw

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dummy · May 16, 2002

At first, I was envisioning a twenty foot dump box but your explanation cleared away the fuzzy parts for your application. Excellent concept. Liked the idiot proofing part, does it really work? Some of the new ones I'm seeing can't tell which end of a drill is the pointy one! For me, the backhoe needs a little more deck space, but if three sides were foldable (driver, passenger and rear)???? Might work. I acquired some 1/4"x6x12 diamond plate and was wondering what to do with it. Great possibilities for the smaller tractors and a dump full of mulch, sand, etc. Next problem, how to hide the project from the wife. There have been threats about certain body parts and tractor related expenses.

wroughtn_harv · May 16, 2002

One of the tricks of avoiding mama-complications in procurring necessities of life is to explain that it is an unavoidable expense.

A fair share of the stuff I got tool wise came with first convincing myself I absolutely had to have it. Then I convinced the wife or paying customer that I couldn't do their job without it.

That quarter by six by twelve sheet of diamond plate would make great sides for a heavy duty dump trailer. It would be a crime to have it for the floor and then to have to cover it with the plastic liners they're putting in the dumps these days.

There are certain considerations that must be handled when living a fun life. First and foremost is finding and then pleasing that woman with discriminating taste and good fortune who loves you.

My wife has a master bath with everything she wanted built in just how she wanted it. She has a green house and garden shed that's built exactly to her specifications.

Of course there were these times when she didn't realize they were her specifications until it was explained to her.

dummy · May 16, 2002

PAYING CUSTOMERS...?? Now you're starting to sound like her!! So, imagine the look on her face when she realized the backhoe wasn't a loaner or rental, just an addition to the family. Actually, I don't use these tools for profit, just fun and stress relief. That's why I use a goose neck too. No commercial insurance and it gets the job done.

wroughtn_harv · May 16, 2002

One of the smartest men I've known in my life was a banker. I built some corrals and stuff for his place. I noticed a new back hoe front loader one day sitting in a barn. I asked him about it.

He explained it was the best thing he'd ever done for himself. He said that after a hard day of working with people and situations the best thing in the world was to go climb on that tractor and go out and dig a hole.

Digging the hole took a hundred percent concentration. He could get lost doing it. Then he'd fill it back up and go park the tractor and be worth being around for the evening.

Anonymous Poster · May 16, 2002

kinda hard to put 14k in a dump trailer? not at all. gravel dirt etc is much heavier than you would expect.i have a ford F600 that has a 12 ft flatbed (dumping) and 16 inch tall sideboards. the truck gvw is 24000 and the trucks light weight is about 10050 lbs. that works out to about 14000 lbs capacity.i have had dirt in the bed that didnt look like too much and just from the way the truck rode and stopped i am sure it was overloaded.just something to think about.remember it almost always weighs more than it looks

dummy · May 17, 2002

The kind of heavy where you find yourself going slow and the steering is way easier than normal?

wroughtn_harv · May 17, 2002

I usually figure sand and gravel at twenty five hundred to three thousand pounds a yard.

Soooooooooo....... your 96 cu ft (8' X 12' X 1') of dirt if you only had it an average of one foot high would be ten to twelve thousand pounds. If you had it level it would be twenty five percent more with your sixteen inch sides. That puts you on the low side at twelve five and the high side at sixteen thousand.

One of my buds has a commercial demolition business. If you have to have only one bud make sure it's the bud with the commercial demolition business. The stories I can tell..........

Anyway he picked up a brand new demo dump truck. Chevrolet five ton with the Izuzu chassis and a twenty four foot box with four foot sides. He sent it to a site where they were demolishing some concrete and brick. They filled the truck up, yup, up.

When they got to the dump and started up with the bed the frame broke. Brand new truck, brand new bed, non warranty repair of about seven thousand if I recall correctly.

Just because it fits doesn't mean it works.

billfires · May 21, 2002

wroughtn harv, I know exactly how your banker feels. Running the BH is the best stress release I could have imagined. Sometimes getting paid to run it is just the icing on the cake.

Bill C