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[Tollster]

It only takes one issue with a gas company well to have long term effects on the environment, and as we all know a bit too well, those long term effects will never ever come back on the gas company. They may get away with a cheap fine, and you are left rolling the dice for your familys well being.
We have seen negligence on many companies part here in Pennsylvania, it is hard to prove anything after 10-20 years, much less secure money to fight a large gas company. Even class actions have a hard time, and more often than not, you will unlikely make the settlement date as they drag out the court proceedings.

 

[k0ua]

There in Central Arkansas where the bird kills happened up the same little road as the fracking well, and the earthquake swarm halted the drilling operations, we are left to make our best guesses what's been done below our feet in secret.

I don't know **** about Fracking, but this bird kill thing in Central Arkansas (Beebe area) is a red herring. The birds killed themselves at night by flying into obstructions from being frightend by fireworks. this has happened several times now . This is NOT some secret poison being pumped into the ground. All of the birds showed blunt force trauma injury's and the kills all happened at once. This is NOT poison. I have a friend and co worker who is making approximately $5000 per month from from his leases. He has no equipment or roads or gas company people on his land. But because they are getting gas from under his land (from next door neighbors place) he is being paid. He is enjoying paying off his house and having a nice college fund going for his children. He is darn sure pro gas Fracking. He has no problems and is reaping a very unexpected windfall. I wish I lived there instead of here and was making $5000 a month for doing nothing but being lucky enough to buy some land back when no one ever heard of the gas fields in Central Arkansas. Like I said I don't know about all the dangers of Fracking or even if they exist or not. But I do know about the birds. and the previous post about the poisoned birds is bird ****

James K0UA

 

[murphy1244]

Big foot "Just realize that fracking a well, 2 or 3 miles down, deep in the earth, is a LONG way from the aquifers where we draw our drinking water"

True, But if the casing is not installed right, it leaks. Ya know, Like cut some corners to save some cash.

 

[lockhaven]

Again I apologize for saying things against the gas drilling, I was misinformed.
gasdrill.org - Fracking Info
and by the way as I stated before the person testing my well had already been paid by me and I had contacted them. I thought the test was perhaps a waste of money but decided to go ahead with it just to be safe. Something like insurance. So after he had collected the water samples and mapped the location of my well I asked him if they had found any problems from the drilling. I had hoped he would say nothing or a very small number. 10% of the wells tested is not a small number. But as has been stated by those much more intelligent that all of this is just BS because nothing has ever been proven.
and as far as being the spawn of satan , I must be for ever saying anything against the gas drilling.

 

[Short Game]

The birds killed themselves at night by flying into obstructions from being frightend by fireworks.

So they say.

 

[tommu56]

Actually, fracking, by one means or another is actually nothing new. I know they were doing it to oil wells in the early 1950s, and probably before that. I think they called it "shooting" a well back then. And I never heard of anyone complaining. But now we have a much larger population, greater needs for energy sources, and a lot of rumors that may or may not have any basis in fact. Of course gas & oil companies are going to try to get leases as cheaply as possible. What business doesn't try to buy as low as possible and sell as high as possible.

And they're able to drill much deeper than they could 50 years ago. Is that good or bad? Could that cause earthquakes? Could it contaminate water? Are there safer chemicals available that those being used? I don't know, and I doubt that many of those who posted in this thread know either.

Or maybe we'd rather just buy our energy supplies from the mid-east and give them the money and jobs.

My Dad worked for Sun Oil and they were "stimulating" wells in the 60's like bird said the they were shooting them then too.
They weren't doing any horizontal drilling the did do the angle drilling back then but they were straight angled outward from the pad to reach larger area.

tom

 

[k0ua]

So they say.

Well what ever killed the birds it for darn sure was not poisoning from injecting dangerous chemicals into the ground. It happened again on Jan 1 from a new years fireworks celebration.

About 200 birds found dead in Arkansas city for second straight New Year's Eve - CNN


James K0UA

 

[Catfish Man]

The real question is:

Did Halliburton pay for the fireworks? :laughing:

 

[k0ua]

The real question is:

Did Halliburton pay for the fireworks? :laughing:

Yes they did. They have a deep underlying hatred for all things avian:laughing:

James K0UA

 

[dmccarty]

I was reading a thread on a beer making website about water quality. These guys can get a bit obsessive about beer making and I think they can go about overboard in water chemistry. There are programs/spreadsheets out there that will take the data from your water sample and tell you what chemicals to add to duplicate a water used in a brewery in Europe so you can try to copy that particular beer.

Actually, if I had the time, I would be going overboard myself. :laughing:

I was reading the discussion because we needed to get our well water tested. Our county will do this now but it is a PITA to deal with them. Figured the beer guys would be using a good lab thus my reading.

One of the interesting tid bits that popped up was from a beer making well driller. He said that he had drilled numerous wells over the years that hit flammable gas. They would fill up plastic bags with the gas, let them float in the air and light them on fire so they would go boom. I bet right before the let the bags, someone said, "Hey watch this!"

In South FLA the greenies prevented Broward county from dumping treated waste water into the Gulf Stream. As a result the county dug a very deep well. They use this well to INJECT the treated waste water into one of the deeply buried aquifers well under the aquifers used by wells. They have been doing this for a couple of decades now.

I wanted a cistern instead of a well when we built our place but I figured we would have to fight too much with the county and the bank so I left it alone. With a cistern we wold have clean water and I would not have to worry about the well. Even in a power failure we could still get water.

Later,
Dan

 

[looknlearn]

For fu€ks sake, we're why they're drilling everywhere... Don't you people get it? It's our demand that keeps them drilling... Only, we want them in someone else's backyard...

I agree. If we could reduce or even stop our addiction to oil, there wouldn't be the need for Fracking. Our family has tried but it is hard because of the way the US is set up. We moved to the city and have ridden bicycles for anything within city. Because of the way jobs are set up now, it is almost impossible to wean ourselves off of oil. My dad travels an hour to work and that is almost the norm for the US.

Oil is a finite resource and the question isn't, will it run out, it is when will it run out. It may be in 10 years or 100 years, and when it does, and if we don't start to wean ourselves off it, life will come to a halt and it will be living h**l for a while. But instead of slowing down we are just coming up with more ways to get the last bits out of the earth, at the expense of the planet. The phrase," Don't s**t where you sleep" comes to mind. We are s**ting in our drinking water, lakes, the oceans, the air, just to sip at the last puddles of oil so we can keep going at this pace. When the oil is gone what will we have gained in the end and what will our children have to live with. I think if gas prices went to ten or 15 dollars a gallon, people will reconsider and will be forced to wean themselves off of oil but it will be some rough times and our house well not be immune.

I just got a truck for moving materials for our little operation and because my knees are wearing out and can't handle much bicycling anymore. We also use my garden tractors for working our large garden.

 

[Short Game]

There is word that phosgene gas is being handled in Central Arkansas, and possibly being put into injection wells. I have been told that the symptoms of phosgene poisoning resemble just the type of blunt force injury symptoms the dead birds had, massive hemorrhaging in the chest cavities, pulmonary edema.

 

[RoyJackson]

There is word that phosgene gas is being handled in Central Arkansas, and possibly being put into injection wells. I have been told that the symptoms of phosgene poisoning resemble just the type of blunt force injury symptoms the dead birds had, massive hemorrhaging in the chest cavities.

Source of this information?

 

[Short Game]

After minimal searching:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/us/28brfs-DISPOSALWELL_BRF.html?_r=1

Global Rumblings: Fracking the Life out of Arkansas and Beyond

Quakes in Ohio too:

State links quakes to work on wells | The Columbus Dispatch

Oklahoma:

11/6/2011 — Evidence that Oklahoma is having a MAN MADE earthquake swarm = induced seismicity (FRACKING) | ?????????? = ??????????

Whole lotta shakin' goin' on:

Natural-gas production linked to quakes in England, Arkansas, and North Texas, but more study needed - News and Politics - San Antonio Current

 

[Short Game]

I keep finding this name in searches: "John P Wheeler III." He seems to have turned up dead after last year's bird and fish kills. Not saying anything about that. Just bringing it up here.

 

[kensnelling]

After minimal searching:



Oklahoma:

11/6/2011 Evidence that Oklahoma is having a MAN MADE earthquake swarm = induced seismicity (FRACKING) | ?????????? = ??????????

I won't reference the other areas you mentioned, but after the big (to us) earthquake in 2010 I did a bit of research on earthquakes in Oklahoma, and that research revealed that activity has NOT increased in OK, that since the late 50's we have experienced dozens of quakes every year, and with the exception of 2011 our largest quakes happened in the 20's and 30's. Before fracking.

My well, I wouldn't have drank from it or any well in this area even before I'd heard of fracking. With all the shallow coal deposits, and other minerals, the wells around here are good for outside watering only. My well dates from 1970, sour from day one. Others in this area from the 30's to 60's are all supposed to have been bad for drinking from day one.

Also, how come no one has mentioned the Broken Arrow bird kill in 04/11? (hint: it was widely witnessed and had nothing to do with the petroleum industry)

I respectfully suggest doing more than minimal searches, and try using the library more than just the internet. I found more intelligent data both for and against my points in the library than on the pro/con internet sites.

Ken

 

[greasemonkeyok]

Not only have they been fracing for decades, but the completion techniques to protect the ground water have improved significantly. But that info is not nearly as exciting as claiming that fracing in PA squirted frac fluids underground all the way into your water well in Oklahoma Ken, and caused the earth to shake.

 

[beppington]

Not only have they been fracing for decades, but the completion techniques to protect the ground water have improved significantly. But that info is not nearly as exciting as claiming that fracing in PA squirted frac fluids underground all the way into your water well in Oklahoma Ken, and caused the earth to shake.

It reads as though you're in favor of fracking, in that you seem to imply that since it's been done for decades it must be OK. Well, plenty of people smoke cigarettes for decades - Do you think that's OK? And, if fracking has been OK for all these decades, why have they bothered to 'significantly improve the completion techniques to protect the ground water'?

I'm sure we do need this natural gas, but I don't believe the methods used to get it are harmless.