Hydrofracing

[RoyJackson]

...Well, plenty of people smoke cigarettes for decades - Do you think that's OK?

Of course it's OK...I've been smoking for 40 some years...

I'm sure we do need this natural gas, but I don't believe the methods used to get it are harmless.

I think the methods have potential for harm...but can be lessened as long as the safety measures are in place and strictly conformed too. However, profits can get in the way of safety, sometimes, can't they?
I'd like to see the penalty for not following those safety procedures be something like the CEO and Boards of Directors of offending companies be required to drink nothing but water from the affected well or wells for a period of 5 years.
Be a real drag if it poisoned them...but no less a drag if that well water sickened the owners of the well(s).

I think that would be an incentive to ensure safety regulations are adhered to...

 

[Egon]

I'd like to see the penalty for not following those safety procedures be something like the CEO and Boards of Directors of offending companies be required to drink nothing but water from the affected well or wells for a period of 5 years.
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Maybe add the top five share holders to the list!:thumbsup:

 

[lockhaven]

a little bit more reading about the Gas company tactics, this sounds like some of the comments here. But actual actions speak louder then words
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/u...r-oil-and-gas-well-leases.html?pagewanted=all

 

[jwnge]

Ok, from what I hear on the news the largest export from this country last quarter was fuel, crude, diesel, or gasoline. Thats means we were producing much more than we use so we sell it to other countries. Now just yesterday on the news I hear this expert say that we are not able to fill our reserves and that The price of gasoline and diesel were headed up, gas to as much as $4.50 a gallon by spring. Then he says part of the cause is because 1 or more refinerys had shut down and were for sale. So when they blame the price of oil on a shortage here in this country that is a huge lie. Just shows you its all about the profits and you can't believe anyone anymore when it comes to oil. When you pull up to a pump and you see the price, thats what to believe. :confused2:

 

[houstonscott]

That's right, as jobs and industry go away in the USA we will not even use the oil and gas we produce. It will be sold outside the country where people who work can afford it, get it. The demand here is going away as America declines right before your eyes. Those countries who are producing and using oil and gas to fuel their economies will use our oil and gas. You don't expect companies to sell it to you cheap just because you live here did you? All that hydrofracing is happening on private lands they have to right to sell to whom ever they want.

HS

 

[dmccarty]

Another fact that the company people keep shouting "Fracking has NEVER been linked to any ground water pollution" Feds Link Water Contamination to Fracking for the First Time - ProPublica...

The situation in the report is different than in other places where fracking is taking place. The wells in the report are much shallower than in other places. As mentioned in the report the sampling was not repeatable and not consistent. Some of the chemicals mentioned are in gasoline. Did that come from fracking or a leaky tank somewhere? One of the other chemicals is commonly used as a paint solvent. Could that have come from a homeowner or local business just dumping?

The EPA report is far from conclusive. Check out the language they used...

I have also heard of propylene glycol being used in fracking. Propylene glycol is used in all sorts of products including tooth paste and the blackberry extract I just bought.

The water in our well turns brown from time to time. There is no drilling anywhere near us. Best we can tell it is caused by rain and/or lack of rain.

I think the drill companies should have to report to the EPA at state and local level what chemicals they are using to make it easier to figure out where the chemical came from. If their well operation caused ground water pollution the state should nail their fanny but it has to be proven.

There are water quality issues in my county none of which has anything to do with the oil business. If there was fracking going on here, people would claim that the drilling did the damage if it would get them a new well or hooked up to the county water supply.

Raleigh had some homes with wells that were contaminated years ago from leaky fuel tanks at a gas station. There are plenty of ways to mess up a well besides fracking.

Later,
Dan

 

[beppington]

"Pennsylvania Set to Approve Fracking Regulations"

Pennsylvania Set to Approve Fracking Regulations - Yahoo! News

 

[jonyyuma]

Ok, from what I hear on the news the largest export from this country last quarter was fuel, crude, diesel, or gasoline. Thats means we were producing much more than we use so we sell it to other countries. Now just yesterday on the news I hear this expert say that we are not able to fill our reserves and that The price of gasoline and diesel were headed up, gas to as much as $4.50 a gallon by spring. Then he says part of the cause is because 1 or more refinerys had shut down and were for sale. So when they blame the price of oil on a shortage here in this country that is a huge lie. Just shows you its all about the profits and you can't believe anyone anymore when it comes to oil. When you pull up to a pump and you see the price, thats what to believe. :confused2:

This is what I had read and noticed happening. Now we just pay more BECAUSE they can and will charge more a gallon.....So maybe they can Gouge us for another Dollar a gallon???

 

[PAfarmer]

WOW..Allot of mis-information and generalization going on here. I am in the middle of gas work here in Northeastern Pa. I have three wells on my farm alone. No problems so far.

 

[k0ua]

WOW..Allot of mis-information and generalization going on here. I am in the middle of gas work here in Northeastern Pa. I have three wells on my farm alone. No problems so far.

You just wait till you start sniffing that Phosgene gas.. yeah and all your blackbirds start dying.. then you will think "no trouble" hah!:laughing::laughing::laughing:
Sorry I couldn't resist.

James K0UA

 

[Catfish Man]

WOW..Allot of mis-information and generalization going on here. I am in the middle of gas work here in Northeastern Pa. I have three wells on my farm alone. No problems so far.

pm me your address and I'll come run you off the road in my company pickup.

:laughing::laughing:

 

[jonyyuma]

No generalization on the Frack fluid, or collection at the tank farm. You are lucky they are hauling it away for someone else to smell..Try driving out hwy 64, close to OPAL, Arkansas, between there and El paso Ark...You cannot miss it..It is not secret to anyone around the area..I understand why they don't disclose what the chemical ingredients are now. I have worked at refinerys that smelled a lot better ...

 

[beppington]

WOW..Allot of mis-information and generalization going on here. I am in the middle of gas work here in Northeastern Pa. I have three wells on my farm alone. No problems so far.

So far :thumbsup:

 

[Egon]

You just wait till you start sniffing that Phosgene gas.. yeah and all your blackbirds start dying.. then you will think "no trouble" hah!
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And run a pipe from your well to the furnace!:thumbsup:

 

[beppington]

You just wait till you start sniffing that Phosgene gas.. yeah and all your blackbirds start dying.. then you will think "no trouble" hah!:laughing::laughing::laughing:
Sorry I couldn't resist.

And run a pipe from your well to the furnace!:thumbsup:

Then he'll be nice & warm & thirsty :thumbsup:

 

[Combustix]

Then he'll be nice & warm & thirsty :thumbsup:

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

[Danno1]

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How about (if someone knows the official term for fracking fluid) do a search for the MSDS. You'll get at least a general idea of what's in it.


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