I need to automate my bale handling

[tjkadar]

LaForge systems look pretty OEM. I don't have prices from LaForge yet, but I do have some from Frontlink for a JD 5425. While the prices won't be exact, they'll give you a ballpark idea of what you're looking at.

Hitch (2860 lbs lift) - $3,883.00
PTO (540 rpm/Clockwise) - $4,795.00
Accumulator - $ 311.00
Front Remote Hydraulics s - $ 265.00

 

[JDPN]

Deutz narrow model

SAME Deutz-Fahr - Products - Agrocompact 70–100

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Deutz narrow model

SAME Deutz-Fahr - Products - Agrocompact 70–100

I have never seen one of these before (at least in Deutz colors). Thanks for the link. Plus, it has a factory front 3pt and pto Now I just need to find a dealer somewhere close. The only Deutz dealer I did have around was in Canada

 

[Renze]

To my knowledge, Deutz does not make a vineyard/orchard tractor.

Thats correct, the orchard tractors that Deutz offers, are repainted SAME tractors...
JD orchard tractors also come from Italy, Carraro/Agritalia
Case ones used to come from Carraro, just like Valtra, but nowadays they are repainted NH/Fiat
Claas (formerly Renault) also has its orchard tractor being made at Carraro
Zetor used to build its own untill 2001, they will re-enter this market with a new range based on the current proxima models in 2009.
Fendt has its own, in-house developed orchard tractors, but are extremely expensive with lots of bells and whistles, while having an outdated transmission.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Thats correct, the orchard tractors that Deutz offers, are repainted SAME tractors...
JD orchard tractors also come from Italy, Carraro/Agritalia
Case ones used to come from Carraro, just like Valtra, but nowadays they are repainted NH/Fiat
Claas (formerly Renault) also has its orchard tractor being made at Carraro
Zetor used to build its own untill 2001, they will re-enter this market with a new range based on the current proxima models in 2009.
Fendt has its own, in-house developed orchard tractors, but are extremely expensive with lots of bells and whistles, while having an outdated transmission.

Renze, how well is the SAME Frutello (sp?) put together (if you know)? Basically, does it have a good reputation or does it have some problems? My Case-IH dealer use to sell these tractors but I do not know if they still do since Case-IH now has the TN-F. If they do I am going to look into it more but I am not going to waste my time if they have a poor reputation. I do not have a Deutz dealer near me (well, 147 miles is the closest dealer).

I have fun picking on my Deere salesman. I love asking them who makes their tractors as well as the Massey dealers. None of them really know but they make up some nice answers.

I like the Fendt design but there are no local dealers for me to actually look one over. The SAME cab looks nice also as my neighbor runs one (which now that I think of it, I need to talk to him about it as he has had his for a few years).

I really am surprised no one has brought in any of the European vineyard tractors to this area as we are one of the largest grape growing regions. But basically we have CNH and Deere as our main options with Landini as a option. But I know Fendt, Claas, McCormick (red Landini) and now SAME-Deutz Fahr also have vineyard/orchard models. And Massey Ferguson use to have one but when I talked to my MF dealer in the spring MF discontinued their vineyard tractor but were supposedly coming out with a new one sometime (built in Italy like almost every other vineyard tractor). Massey's site currently shows the 3400 as their vineyard option but I don't know if this is the new model or if it is even available yet. Also, Kubota is suppose to be bringing out a new vineyard tractor soon which will be a nice option as there are a few Kubota dealers here.

 

[Rara Avis]

Thats correct, the orchard tractors that Deutz offers, are repainted SAME tractors...
JD orchard tractors also come from Italy, Carraro/Agritalia
Case ones used to come from Carraro, just like Valtra, but nowadays they are repainted NH/Fiat
Claas (formerly Renault) also has its orchard tractor being made at Carraro
Zetor used to build its own untill 2001, they will re-enter this market with a new range based on the current proxima models in 2009.
Fendt has its own, in-house developed orchard tractors, but are extremely expensive with lots of bells and whistles, while having an outdated transmission.

So you are telling me I can get an older Antonio Carraro repaired by John Deere?

 

[ScottAR]

Carraro is now being carried in the US by Woodmizer if you have one nearby.

Mattituck, NY has a dealer.

Poland maine is also listed.

Antonio Carraro America Dealer Maps

 

[Renze]

Robert,

i have no experience with SAME's truely, as all of these tractors have evaporated from our region... the last Same driving farmer around here, was fed up with the trouble his Silver 90 gave him, and switched to Deutz.

In my area there arent any orchard tractors... well a nearby public waterway maintenance service, is using Eicher (no longer produced) and Fendt to drive along narrow permanent paths to mow sides of the waterways.
I've also seen 1 or 2 MF ones, as these used to be the same as Eicher (MF owned Eicher a couple of years)

Larger Same's are very hard to sell because of their unreliability, as well as Renault 180-94 models, which were using a Same transmission. The 9 step powershift Same transmissions tend to break their input shaft.
SDF is replacing most of these series with red, silver and green (Same, Lamborghini, Hurlimann) painted, Deutz engineered tractors, with proven German ZF 4 step powershift transmissions.

The main production in Treviglio, italy, is the under 100 hp market, and also the orchard tractors. I have no experience with them but regarding the troublesome past of bigger Same's .... i wouldnt be eager to buy one.

But thats personal preference...


The Antonio Carraro tractors sold in the USA under that name, are specialty series. JD, Case, Valtra, Claas dont use any of them, just the farm tractors and the orchard line based on the small utility tractors.

They have split the company up in Antonio Carraro (special mini articulated tractors) and Agritalia (the utility tractor, orchard tractor, marketed under many labels) CARRARO S.p.A. - Gruppo Carraro, sistemi di tramissione e per la tramissione di potenza, assali, trasmissioni, componenti per applicazioni fuoristrada, sistemi per applicazioni agricole e movimento terra.

 

[Rara Avis]

Carraro is now being carried in the US by Woodmizer if you have one nearby.

Mattituck, NY has a dealer.

Poland maine is also listed.

Antonio Carraro America Dealer Maps

The gentleman in Maine is trying to retire...has his last Carraro for sale...
News
see last tractor on page...

Mattituck is out on the end of Long Island...not very convenient to get to...

Thanks anyway...I guess I'll stay with The Green Machines...

 

[charlz]

Are you baling alfalfa? grass? alfalfa/grass mix? I've been wondering for a while why you would want to use a kicker with a wagon and then stack by hand when you could use a bale wagon/stacker. Alfalfa makes super nice, tight bales which may be the answer.

I can see moisture/rain as a problem but you can pick up an awful lot of hay with a stacker wagon in a short period of time. I suppose bale for a bit/stack for a bit could get old.

Nobody does 'tie tiers' etc. here. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll go down the road and take pics of some really nice stacks the farmer down the way has. Just a backstop and a self propelled stacker. He delivers with a 'retriever truck' which has a bed similar to the stacker with hooks/grapples built into it. The retriever works like the one in this video but it doesn't pick up/stack bales and it works with small squares:

http://www.superhaytoday.com/balestackers/balestackervideo.html


Downside is definitely when using the stacker to put it in a hay barn, you need really high roofs and there is some wasted space.