I'd go nuts if I was still an employer.

   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #51  
I had a 25 year old ask me about a job today. Ive got a scraper we are rebuilding and working on in bad weather. I told him I needed help as it has some leaks in some bad spots and tons of sheet metal work. We have a junk scraper we can get the parts off of but its a 2 man job. I told him I could put him on as a helper for 13.45 an hour plus insurance and 40 plus hours a week. But he would have to wear work boots and refrain from smoking in the shop. And pass a drug test all company policy. He just refused it out right.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #52  
He was looking for a position, not a job that would interfere with his "lifestyle".
Good help is hard to get.
David from jax
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #53  
These things cut both ways. There is abuse on both sides and sometimes it is hard to say whether the employees or the employer is the worst. Our company had some funky rules regarding who were issued cell phones and who weren't. As part of the R&D group, I didn't qualify and I refused to have a personal one to provide a solution for business use. I was finally issued one during a crisis which lasted from May to October and I was required to travel 1500 miles per weekend (working 7 days per week, no time off) as well as perform exacting, physically demanding work in a building in which the air temperature was over 100F due to poor ventilation and a low roof.

I used to have a company credit card for incidental expenses, which was not used too often, but which has to be reconciled according to an exacting schedule which simply doesn't work if you are travelling and don't have access to the network. (Executives have PA's that do it for them, so they are always in compliance). Since I didn't use it often, and whenever I did I was typically out of the office, resulting in late fees and nastygrams from VP's PA's because you are making the division look bad on this "metric", I canceled my card. When the crisis job was in progress that went all summer, I paid for it all with my own credit card. Which included several thousand $ of fuel for the vehicle (diesel was close to $5/gal). When the job was done, and I had made up with my wife, I spent over a week (full time) putting together the expense report. I had to painstakingly copy every receipt, do an excel spreadsheet since we have to split every hotel bill into accommodation, meals and communication - by day !. Enter the whole mess into SAP (over 300 transactions), check everything again, since mistakes on expense reports get you fired. Perverse as it may seem, the fact that I covered the entire $7000 with my own credit card probably meant that my boss was probably more lenient when checking it. Employers can't "reasonably" expect employees to work like this, or punish them for missing administrative deadlines while working 7 days per week. And I failed to mention my performance review for the year - below average.... Due (in part) to me busting my ***, keeping the promises made by the executives, the company picked up close to $1billion in new business.

Having been "salaried" since about 1998, that was the last year I ever got paid for overtime. Its pretty well known that there are about 1900 hours in a year (single shift). Once holidays and vacation is taken into account, that number drops to less than 1800. In most years that I have worked since 98, I have typically worked over 400 hours of unpaid overtime per year. Legally, I don't have to. But employers show during every layoff, promotion, performance review, interview how "dispensable" you are if you don't provide these "free" services. The bigger the company, the more they seem to be run like dictatorships.

Even if you are a proven problem solver, the directors may not listen when you tell them that their plan is going to fail. Some of them may try every trick in the book to get you fired because you dare to challenge them. You may be forced to take "mandatory counseling" for weeks with a psychiatrist after exposing dubious purchasing/supplier agreements which appear to be costing the company millions every year in profit. Superiors will tell you to "leave it be", "its out of your authority", "there is information being considered that you are not privy to" etc etc. However, once the ship has sailed, the deals struck and the train has gone off the rails and the red ink is coming in every week (once they can no longer hide it), then all those who wanted to fire you will remember, and at a moments notice you will find yourself with suitcase packed on the way to some god forsaken place where it is expected of you to work 18 hours/day, 7 days a week until the red ink changes to black. All for no overtime pay, no bonus, and you better be back at work the day after...

While I may be a little cynical, I have been through these situations now a sufficient number of times to know not to expect any improvement. Since early 2009 the company has with very few exceptions hired only contract employees, to the point that 80% of some of our product development teams (which develop the intellectual property) now consist of contractors who a) do get paid for overtime, unlike salaried staff, b)will leave at the drop of a hat if another employer offers them $3 more per hour or a shorter commute, or a salaried position.

As soon as I find a way to sell my home here in MI, even for a small loss, I will be turning my back on everything automotive.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #54  
These things cut both ways. There is abuse on both sides and sometimes it is hard to say whether the employees or the employer is the worst.

I agree with almost everything in your post regarding larger corporations. It's common for executive and director levels to ride the backs of middle managers and top performers. If you work in that environment, you just expect it to happen. However, if you are a small business that employs around 25 people, it must be tough and quite different from large corporations where executives routinely make promises and set policies that will ultimately have to be bailed out by hours of labor and sacrifice of dedicated people. Small business bad decisions and policies seem to always end up in the lap of the owner.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #55  
Jinman, the issues of promises made that "someone" has to fulfill only requires 1 salesman / president / owner / big cheese. The worst case is typically when there is a "dedicated" salesman, who does not materially support the rest of the work. I have worked for companies as small as 6 employees and the problem of dealing with promises made by others is really not much different. The ONLY difference may be that at some point, you call the owner of the company on a Sunday afternoon and tell him that if he doesn't show up to help the rest of the crew finish the job, HE can explain to the customer the following day why we were not finished. Getting to take vacations or deal with sick leave is another significant problem in the really small outfits.

In my opinion, the biggest disadvantage with the smaller companies tends to be the "hand to mouth" style of operation. At least the smaller companies I worked for, the staff seemed go through an incessant boom or bust cycle. You were either working overtime or laid off, with nothing sane in the middle. While the owners were out buying new toys after conclusion of every contract, we were all having our salaries re-negotiated and giving up any cost of living increases we may have gained over the previous year, or agreeing to work the first 10 hours of overtime per week free of charge or whatever. The only place I saw this to be different was in Germany, and from what I have read, Japan is different in this regard too. If one has a regular job at a small company, you are fortunate !
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #56  
Re; phones and work (B4 cells)

My FIL showed me how to do time/motion studies when I had a small company.

Observation studies demonstrated that personal calls on company time were costing me some $40,000/year in lost billable hours.(and I had only about 6 employees)
(I repeated the study 3 times as I could not believe the results.)

I shudder to think what the numbers would be with Internet access and texting these days.

My daughter is with Bombardier at management level.
ONLY managers have Internet access, everybody is issued an 'in house' blackberry for memos.

SIL is with Marconi; same thing, no internet, no long distance.
Both firms, to my knowledge monitor EMails and abuse can be used for dismissal.
Systems are in place to flag exessive abuse.

Times shure change.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #57  
I was at te plant the other day checking a few dumpsters. Every nook and cranny around the plant on the backside was there with folks on the cell phone either texting or talking. I was back there all day and it was like that most of the day. THese folks make 17/18 dollars an hour I know some of them were on a legitimate break but no way all of them were at one time. Id love to have what it costs them a year in wasted time, Those 2 new Kubotas I d like to have.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #58  
These things cut both ways. There is abuse on both sides and sometimes it is hard to say whether the employees or the employer is the worst. Our company had some funky rules regarding who were issued cell phones and who weren't. As part of the R&D group, I didn't qualify and I refused to have a personal one to provide a solution for business use. I was finally issued one during a crisis which lasted from May to October and I was required to travel 1500 miles per weekend (working 7 days per week, no time off) as well as perform exacting, physically demanding work in a building in which the air temperature was over 100F due to poor ventilation and a low roof.

I used to have a company credit card for incidental expenses, which was not used too often, but which has to be reconciled according to an exacting schedule which simply doesn't work if you are travelling and don't have access to the network. (Executives have PA's that do it for them, so they are always in compliance). Since I didn't use it often, and whenever I did I was typically out of the office, resulting in late fees and nastygrams from VP's PA's because you are making the division look bad on this "metric", I canceled my card. When the crisis job was in progress that went all summer, I paid for it all with my own credit card. Which included several thousand $ of fuel for the vehicle (diesel was close to $5/gal). When the job was done, and I had made up with my wife, I spent over a week (full time) putting together the expense report. I had to painstakingly copy every receipt, do an excel spreadsheet since we have to split every hotel bill into accommodation, meals and communication - by day !. Enter the whole mess into SAP (over 300 transactions), check everything again, since mistakes on expense reports get you fired. Perverse as it may seem, the fact that I covered the entire $7000 with my own credit card probably meant that my boss was probably more lenient when checking it. Employers can't "reasonably" expect employees to work like this, or punish them for missing administrative deadlines while working 7 days per week. And I failed to mention my performance review for the year - below average.... Due (in part) to me busting my ***, keeping the promises made by the executives, the company picked up close to $1billion in new business.

Having been "salaried" since about 1998, that was the last year I ever got paid for overtime. Its pretty well known that there are about 1900 hours in a year (single shift). Once holidays and vacation is taken into account, that number drops to less than 1800. In most years that I have worked since 98, I have typically worked over 400 hours of unpaid overtime per year. Legally, I don't have to. But employers show during every layoff, promotion, performance review, interview how "dispensable" you are if you don't provide these "free" services. The bigger the company, the more they seem to be run like dictatorships.

Even if you are a proven problem solver, the directors may not listen when you tell them that their plan is going to fail. Some of them may try every trick in the book to get you fired because you dare to challenge them. You may be forced to take "mandatory counseling" for weeks with a psychiatrist after exposing dubious purchasing/supplier agreements which appear to be costing the company millions every year in profit. Superiors will tell you to "leave it be", "its out of your authority", "there is information being considered that you are not privy to" etc etc. However, once the ship has sailed, the deals struck and the train has gone off the rails and the red ink is coming in every week (once they can no longer hide it), then all those who wanted to fire you will remember, and at a moments notice you will find yourself with suitcase packed on the way to some god forsaken place where it is expected of you to work 18 hours/day, 7 days a week until the red ink changes to black. All for no overtime pay, no bonus, and you better be back at work the day after...

While I may be a little cynical, I have been through these situations now a sufficient number of times to know not to expect any improvement. Since early 2009 the company has with very few exceptions hired only contract employees, to the point that 80% of some of our product development teams (which develop the intellectual property) now consist of contractors who a) do get paid for overtime, unlike salaried staff, b)will leave at the drop of a hat if another employer offers them $3 more per hour or a shorter commute, or a salaried position.

As soon as I find a way to sell my home here in MI, even for a small loss, I will be turning my back on everything automotive.

The automotive biz has become pretty mean. One of my neighbor's is the manager of a small plastic parts factory. 10 years ago, he was paying production workers $15 per hour, plus some bennies. Now he is paying $8, with no bennies. If his costs go up, even a little bit, the work will be pulled & sent to Mexico. The future is pretty mean here in the mitten.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #59  
Has anyone noticed that despite all the outsourcing and low cost country shifting of employment, that every new model is more expensive than its predecessor ? The GM "Cruze" is now at the price point which one will pay for a Honda ?

I had a friend that was raving about the Equinox. So we went to the local dealer, looked at the sticker price and then at the finish/quality of all the materials (dash, plastic trim, carpet etc). Then we walked over the lot to the Honda dealer and did the same thing to the CRV. The Honda was cheaper and had vastly superior material and finish in all the interior components, and had by far a superior engine. Needless to say, he bought the CRV. In a Honda, the parts are made or assembled in Japan or the USA. In a GM, most is made in China and possibly assembled in the US (or in Korea, like the Aveo).

In both my Dodge Ram, and the Chevy Cobalt that I bought used, the manufacturers either bought unplated fasteners, or the plating was so thin that it oxidized within the first year. Given the number of fasteners in a vehicle, it is usually unfeasible to go about systematically replacing corroding fasteners, which have a huge subjective impact on resale value. And typically, you are wasting your time buying fasteners from the manufacturer for more than $1 each which have the same crappy plating as the originals. On my cobalt, the rear drum brakes do not use coil springs to control brake release. Instead, they have a spring that is made of about 1/8" diameter wire that is bent in a C shape, so a crude form of torsion spring. The spring on the left rear corroded to the point that it snapped within less than 30 months and then proceeded to tear up the shoes on that side as the snapped off piece got carried around and around while driving. I had to wait 2 weeks to get a replacement, and of course I got 2, since I assumed the opposite side wouldn't be far behind.

I sat through an hour long meeting yesterday, in which my performance at my job was criticized. I was told in no uncertain terms that time that I had spent working on proposals for critical "issues" with our product, which had not been assigned to me, was considered wasted and that I did not have the right to decide or select what it was that I would work on. "Judgment" is essentially something for the elites to exercise and which they in turn will turn into "decrees" which we need to carry out. Yep, employees need to be robots nowadays. Don't worry about the big picture, don't take it personally if none of your work from the last 6 months gets used or not. If you have mentioned a concern once, thats it, leave it be and accept whatever is decreed. I have to say that I find this line of thinking exceedingly perverse in the "land of the free", and it does not surprise me at all that this industry is in the condition it is in.
 
   / I'd go nuts if I was still an employer. #60  
After reading the stories here all I can recommend is to save and invest like crazy so you can retire early or at least move to a job that you enjoy. It will mean giving up some of the toys, but it might buy you back your sanity.
 

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