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   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #71  
I have just read all the previous threads referring to this tractor. It enters the TBN picture in early 2013. The OP is working on it; alternator, gauges, hydraulics. He has an Owners and Shop Manual for the tractor. He buys a 6' finish mower for it in early '13 as well. He gets everything working. :confused3:
... There is no mention of use or overheating in Summer 2013. There is a single post about timing.
... This summer overheating comes up.
... There is some mention that the fan appears to be blowing forward. Not followed to resolution.

The info is sketchy and discontinuous - even disjoint - thruout.

There is no way to give information pertinent to the "problem" with this state of affairs. We need some quality attention from the OP 'til we have a clear picture. Then to proceed systematically.
larry

And yet in this thread he says (if memory serves) that the machine has run hot since he bought the tractor??!!!

Now then that is a simple fix!!!!!! and fits the symptoms AND not that an uncommon mistake for an amateur to make.
A fan installed backwards.
 
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   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #72  
And yet in this thread he says (if memory serves) that the machine has run hot since he bought the tractor??!!!

Now then that is a simple fix!!!!!! and fits the symptoms AND not that an uncommon mistake for an amateur to make.
A fan installed backwards.
He may not have worked it much and if it overheated just once he probably thot it was low and didnt focus. We DO need the definitive answer.

,,,OK, scramble your brain around for this; a fanblade turned around still moves the air the same way. If it has shaped blades it will be less efficient tho if installed backward. It could be that ... or does he have a pusher blade ... or did he mistake the airflow ... and/or ... . Too much conjecture.
 
   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #73  
Would any readers of this post be near enough to drive over and help?
 
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This is getting way out of hand. Here's the deal. When I hold a pin flag (a little wire surveyor's flag) in front of the radiator, it draws it against the radiator. So the air is being sucked through the radiator to the fan. I don't know how long this thing has been overheating-And it IS overheating- because I don't know if the guy I bought it from mentioned it. But definitely since I bought it. I'm not sure what the popular opinion is anymore. Radiator, water pump and thermostat new. Pull the head ?? The hydraulic supply tank for the loader is contained in the loader--completely separate from the tractor hydraulic supply-two separate systems. I don't know if anyone will get this far to read this post and That's what I was afraid would happen. I guess I'm about as confused now as when I started. Not you guys' fault, It's almost impossible to troubleshoot on line. I was just hoping it would be something definite. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for parts for my riding mower. Just mowed 8 acres with a 22" push mower(it took more than 1 day) so right now I'm just trying to get some definite info. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ! BTW it ain't looking great with Jo. Wait and see game.
 
   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #75  
He may not have worked it much and if it overheated just once he probably thot it was low and didnt focus. We DO need the definitive answer.

,,,OK, scramble your brain around for this; a fanblade turned around still moves the air the same way. If it has shaped blades it will be less efficient tho if installed backward. It could be that ... or does he have a pusher blade ... or did he mistake the airflow ... and/or ... . Too much conjecture.

As we're just marking time at the moment Larry let's play with this fan stuff.
My first thought is, I've never run into a pusher blade for a cooling system unless it was for a rear (as in the back of the power plant) exhausted cooling system.
Turning a blade in the wrong direction: if it's a curved blade, yes it does look like it would still do the job as the blades still are inclined the same in relation to the hub. But aerodynamically that's not what happens, they actually push 'some' air in the opposite direction because of the curvature.
And the same type of thing happens with a flat blade because of leading edges thickness and tip shapes. Only in the case of flat blades, turning them around backwards only creates a turbulence in front of the fan that makes for little effect in heat transfer.
 
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One always does the simple things first in determining a problem...never tear down and engine until you've exhausted ALL other potential problems.

The one thing that I think you have not addressed correctly is your timing issue. You need to resolve that before you go whole hog, tear it down and, in my opinion, find nothing wrong.

I'm betting on timing.

Do a proper timing check. If you can't find the timing marks, loosen the distributor a little and turn it one way or another, while it's running at idle.

If it sorts 'rolls' then the timing is too far advanced, turn the dist back a little. If it starts running rough, then it's too far retarded, turn it the other way a bit. You'll find the 'sweet spot' where it will run the smoothest.

When you find that spot, rev it a little. If you hear a rumbling at higher rpm's, then you've still got it advanced just a bit too much, turn the dist back just a smidge.

When you think you've got it right, tighten the distr and run it, see if it over heats.

You'd be surprised what the sound of an engine will tell you when you change the timing a little. If you don't want to try this (you've got nothing to lose at this point), find an old guy in your area, who has been playing with old cars/tractors for a while. I bet he'll be able to get the timing about where it should be, maybe not perfect but acceptable, just by ear.

I've done a lot this way.

This will at least rule out one of the simplest things to trouble shoot. You might find that it makes no difference, but at least you've ruled it out.

Good luck.
 
   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #77  
Hanging out....it's thundering and raining Labradors puppies and Siamese kitty cats outside.

The trouble with that approach pilgrim is that while you and I could get away with that by the seat of the pants tuning, it takes experience to get it anywhere close to right.
For instance, if the carb isn't adjusted or operating properly all the by ear stuff is worthless. What if there's an intake vacuum leak? Or the points aren't properly adjusted? Or the advance weights or springs are inoperative? Or the distributor shaft bushings are a waste?
Hmm don't know if I covered it all, but you get the idea. All those things effect timing at speed that you may not pick up on tuning by ear at idle and blipping the throttle without knowing er that is without experience.
 
   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #78  
We will not give up!! Prayers to the Missus
 
   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #79  
you are quite right, there could be other factors affecting the timing.

However, by trying what I outlined, it would probably affect the overheating condition enough so he'd at least know what the problem is, instead of tearing apart a perfectly good engine. If the timing were off, it would probably be quite a bit off to cause the overheating so quickly.

Even a modest change in the heat issue tell him not to split the engine apart.

If the OP is skilled enough to tear down an engine, I'd hope that he'd be able to play with the timing... all aspects of it, vacuum, advance mechanism, points, etc. I certainly sounds as if he could.

to the OP, good luck, I hope you resolve it soon.
 
   / I'm admitting defeat---- Last time on this........... #80  
Now I have bolds of lightening coming out of the sky.

Yep yep yep, pilgrim.
Have you seen my short check list for the op I posted earlier today for the op?

Just marking time.
 

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