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Good points by Varmintist.

I played all those sports when I was young. Three knee operations later and many other old sports injuries and I'm pretty much out of any serious sports in my mid-30s. I wish I could get frequent flyer miles for orthopedic surgery.

I get most of my exercise doing hard manual labor and taking long hikes (low-impact).

A good day of stacking hay bales, digging ditches, or roofing will get you all the exercise you ever wanted.
 
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Bird,

As usual, you talk a lot of good sense.

Mike,

I was kind of hoping this thread would quiet down and just go away but here I go again. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> The rules and techniques of soccer are such that it handicaps physical ability so badly people of lesser skill or lesser physical attributes CAN perform at some level </font> )</font>

You're right that "people of lesser skill or lesser physical attributes CAN perform at some level" and that's one of things that makes it such a universal game but you're terribly wrong in implying that they all play at the SAME level. Better players tend to gravitate to better teams playing in better leagues and that's not a bad thing. It means that players who play in a particular league tend to have similar skill levels and that leads to more competitive games.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Soccer is one of the only sports where there is little to no disparity between the womens and mens variety. </font> )</font>

Awwww please. All I have to say is that among the thousands upon thousands of professional soccer players around the world, name one woman. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Even the greatest of all female players, Mia Hamm, wasn't fast enough, strong enough, tough enough or skilled enough to play anywhere near the top level of the men's game. End of argument.

Now if you want to talk about soccer as a spectator sport, you probably wouldn't get much arguement out of me. I've never been a great fan of watching soccer.
 
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Update

Well... I got published for my letter to the editor and so did my best friends wife who also sent in a letter. I was humored by the original article that ran, but friends wife was pretty angry with the columnist.
Here is the web version of my letter.
Here is hers. I didn't even know she did this.

Now I just wait to see what the fallout from irate and ticked off soccer moms all over the county will say... I'll probably monitor the letters to the editor section for a couple of days.

I get LOTS of complements on the magnet (as well as lots of single digit waves from soccer moms). I should have put a web address in the letter to the editor where people can buy them. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Actually I would rather referee (or watch) women's games. At the higher levels it is a more skilled, graceful game, whereas the men's game is faster and more physically oriented. I personally enjoy the skill games.

However, at the lower levels, the women's game can be down right awful, really awful, even at the collegiate level. I have refereed games that had teams that some U14 teams could beat. The only upside is that they all pay the same. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Oh Henro...

Sorry it took me so long to reply to your post. I've been enjoying the good debate.

I see my anti-soccer magnet in about the same light as people with the Calvin taking a wizz on #3 for Nascar. Its done all in good fun, but the Dale Earnhardt lovers don't particularly like it.

Speaking of... I'm in the heart of Nascar country and don't particularly like that either (but only because I find round/oval track racing mind numbingly boring). Round and round they go, where they stop nobody knows. Whoever mentioned the tractor pulls is a wise ole' coot... or a good road race.. where the racer turns either direction.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Speaking of... I'm in the heart of Nascar country and don't particularly like that either (but only because I find round/oval track racing mind numbingly boring). Round and round they go, where they stop nobody knows. )</font>

Hey, Hey, Hey...

You can pick on kids playing soccer or football but lets not touch racing!!! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Whoever mentioned the tractor pulls is a wise ole' coot... or a good road race.. where the racer turns either direction. )</font>

Hey. old I am not. Yet. Anyway, ya gotta dig the power!

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I've read through all the posts in this thread and thought I'd throw my hat in the ring.

It's an interesting state that America is in. Specifically in regards to sports and the things they use sports to teach people. I never was particularly athletic in my early school years. It may not surprise many considering what I do now (a programmer.)

But I think sports in school are badly lacking in teaching any real lessons. Whether you want to teach about a "pecking order" or "fair play" or "perseverance" or anything of that sort.

I agree that it doesn't help anyone when sports take on an "everyone plays" attitude. But that is definitely different than a "everyone tries" attitude.

But one thing that happens, in my experience, is that there is little training done of children. Which is really too bad. People believe that somehow children will magically know how to do things that even most adults cannot do. But the amazing thing is that children can learn incredibly rapidly if given a chance. And anyone, no matter their intial skills, can become very skilled at things with practise.

I believe the problem with many sports is there is no true ranking system. And the only ranking system availible often makes people feel they have no worth in the sport. Starters vs Benchers, is a prime example. Some Bench players have a role, and that's good. But in the "everyone plays" model, it ruins the fun for everyone. The kids who are there and are good get upset about not being able to play, and the kids who aren't good take heat for it, as well as not enjoying the game themselves because they aren't that good at it. But there is little instruction going on from what I can see. I remember Little League where the entire instruction was "keep your eye on the ball" ok... that's brilliant instruction. Brilliantly worthless.

Now let's take a look at a sport close to my heart. Martial Arts. I started Taekwondo when I was 12 years old with my brother. Whenever anyone starts Taekwondo, no matter their initial physical attributes, they are white belts. This shows not the talent one has in their muscles but the skill one has in the martial art. Girls and Boys are both grouped equally. As you train in Martial Arts you improve in many ways: You gain skill in the art itself, learning punching, forms, kicking, etc. You gain physical skill: All those kicks, punches, running, pushups tone your body. You gain mental focus: Meditation, timing of punches, strategy in sparring. You gain humility AND respect: As you rise in rank you gain the respect of all those around you. There is an obvious "pecking order" of ranks. But there is still respect for all.

That is the real problem with school sports. There is no way for someone NOT good to improve. Since there is no training for specific sports.

When I started, I was terrible. Compared to a Black Belt. I had the hardest time breaking boards with jumping kicks. I was not very fit at all.

But because I continued, despite my failings, I was taught how to improve. I don't fly like Muhammad does (he can jump pretty high, and then execute amazing kicks) I hit harder and stronger than he does. Neither of us is "better" than the other. We'd never fight each other full force. But if we were each confronted with the same violent situation, both of us would handle it with great... efficiency. But differently.

And there are a fair number of girls in Taekwondo. There are also beautiful displays of balance and grace in our forms. There is vicious combat that is nothing short of explosive in our sparring.

Both my brother and I are nationally certified TKD referees. Boys and girls of all ages compete in both sparring and forms at tournaments. They are seperated out. But I have seen boys who have the most beautiful forms ever. And I have seen girls who fight like wildcats in sparring matches. There is little difference. There is nothing manly or girly about any martial art aspect. And those who disagree I challenge to watch some of the girls fight each other. Or some of the boys perform the forms.

Sports provide excellent physical fitness, an outlet for stress and emotions of all sorts, a way to hone competitive drives, provide a fun time, and a way to make friends.

But with all due respect to all the other sports, I have to say that Martial Arts is a cut above all those (imo). It fufils all aspects of those, but the personal development of a Martial Artist who sticks with it is more fufilling than that of a football player.

And anyone can develop into an excellent Martial Artist. Not everyone can develop into an excellent football player. And there is nothing wrong with "anyone can" type of things. Because just because anyone can doesn't mean everyone does. Afterall, there aren't many Third Dan Black Belts who run huge tractor websites on the internet, are there? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

-Ibrahim
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The high school football coach in a Canton OH area school got fired because he couldn't turn the team around and produce a winning record in the 2 years he was there. )</font>

Yep, winning is the only thing that counts, no matter how you do it. The last few days the newspaper has had stories about the steroid use in the winningest high school football program in this area. And while I don't have all the facts, it appears from the news stories that the coach had the information a long time ago. And watch the news to see which of the high school kids get arrested for drug use, rape, armed robbery, etc. Football is a great training program to teach the boys that you're supposed to hurt other people and ignore the rules; just don't get caught.
 
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Bczoom,
I have more than a few knots on my head mentioning nascar hehehe. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Ibrahim,
Great post!!! Its posts like that that make good debate so fun (actually all of them do, it is not debate without different sides). I also took karate (Kyokushinkai) and see exactly what you mean with regards to the ranking system. I made it to brown belt, but yet I don't necessarily equate karate as a sport. More of a teaching philosophy that has physical elements like a sport. Even though I greatly love baseball, I don't necessarily think even baseball is fully a sport, but rather a game. The same with golf. I'm not really sure it is a sport, but more of a game. I guess they all meet the Websters definition of a sport though. Karate is VERY unique. Like I said, it has elements of a sport, but melds what is a sport with the mental aspects of school.

Bird,
I don't think your statement is entirely fair. There are very bad examples of EVERY sport and nearly everything in life. When done properly football IS a great learning experience. Again, it was probably the best real life learning experience I had in my life. I had a great head football coach as well as the whole staff. Some may not have that and may not have come away with the same experience that I did. As for your hurting someone statement.. YEA!!! That was what was so captivating about football for me and let me focus. Every play.. each and every down.. try to knock your opponent in the next county.. see blood... go at him harder... see a weakness such as a bad knee.. exploit it unmercifully... but then after the whistle blows, if you were unsuccessful in bringing him to an untimely demise, help him up, go back to the huddle and do it again. I was an offensive lineman, so that was how I played in the trenches. The GOOD coaches teach you to go at it with that much intensity, but to NEVER cross the line and do it unfairly.
 

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