I'm getting SO SICK of gas prices and car taxes!

[rgs03833]

I agree!
It's not as bad up here in NH, no sales taxes and $3.80/gal average vs the rest of the country but still out of hand.

Remember this in November, all though I don't think much will happen either way...

I Agree too!

But Dmace, I use to live in NH and the House that I have is about 6.5G in Property Taxes. Now I'm in Haverhill, MA and my House is 3.2G this year in Property Tax. But then I have to Pay 2G in MA State Tax this year so it's pretty much almost the same if I live in NH or in MA and don't forget MA 6.5% Sales Tax. What they don't get you in other Taxes, they get you somewhere else

Since NH doesn't have State / Sales Tax, they make it up somewhere else like Property Tax

I even went a step further.... Trying to be Smart, LMFAO... Driving up to NH to buy things.... Guess what? By the time I drive up there and come back just to save few Dollars... Now I lost my Time driving up and down and the Gas Money... I have better luck spending that Money and pay the 6.5% Sales Tax...

If I buy Big things... Like an Appliance... They asked me where do I live? I said MA, they said " Sorry but we can't deliver it to MA for free unless you pay the 6.5% MA State Tax. "

****, this Country should be " Tax Free or Die ". We are too busy working, while them Politicians busy spending our Money... Where do you see a Politician living in a Trailer? or a 1 Bedroom House?

So much for Running away from NH Property Tax, LMAO...

Sad to say , we are all hurting

 

[5030]

oh come off it. the prices are inflated cause they can get away with it. Just cause Europeans are dumb enough to get gouged doesnt mean were supposed to roll over and accept it. Most of those countries can be traversed in hours...not days and weeks. its not the same thing as it is here.

People that just say man up and pay are the reason its gotten so bad.

So tell me, who is they? If the price is inflated and you have an issue with it (price) the logical solution is abstain from purchasing it. No buyers equates to lowering the price to make a commodity more attractive and thus purchased.

Europeans aren't 'dumb'. On the contrary, they have the imtellegence to buy and drive vehicles that are efficient. We don't have that intellegence, obviously, at least some of us don't. However, those that don't have the ability to whine.........

Get rid of the EPA, import the Toyota hilux or ford ranger diesel and I'll pipe down about fuel prices.haha

No, you won't. You'll find something to whine about. It's an American pastime and the major reason why the rest of the civilized world looks at us like they do. It all goes back to entitlement and 'what you can do for me' instead of what I can do for myself. The current state of affairs is your responsibility (as a citizen and I hope a registered voter) entirely. You have no one to blame for the current situation, but yourself.

It's high time for you, as a citizen to take control of current events instead of expecting elected officials to wipe your butt, because they are and insread of toilet paper, they are using a wood stick...with splinters.

one thing I've learned in my short life is to never assume what someone can and can't pay for:thumbsup: I'm not saying I can't afford the truck I drive, or even the gas for it. it's just becoming a pain in the you know what when it shouldn't be. It's not like I bought a 1 ton dually 4x4 with a diesel to pull around a 5x10 trailer from time to time. I bought the truck that fit my NEEDS not WANTS, rest assure. besides, ever hauled 5-10 bags of smelly trash off weekly in a Prius?:laughing: I need a truck, I've always had a truck and will always continue to own a truck. a car would be of no use to me and my needs. if I can do without some wants, I think our irresponsible government should as well. afterall, I'm not the one who brought on this inflation and devalued the dollar. no money printing machines in my house that I'm aware of. I hate when people want to compare us to Europe. If I remember correctly we broke away from that neck of the woods few hundred years ago and started our own country because of their foolish ways. you think we should now go back to those ways???:confused2: All I'm saying is gas has jumped up over a dollar in 4 months. don't you smell a rat? I sure do.

I smell no rat other than the very citizens who are perpetrating what's occuring as far as fuel prices, on themselves. Like I said in above answer. If you don't like the prices, quit buying the product. Shoe leather express sounds good to me, or, purchase a more fuel efficient vehicle. I agree that the gvernment is somewhat irresponsible but who allowed it to get that way??? You did, of course Problem is, people in this country are very good at laying the blame on someone else instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.

I wish . . my local petrol station has petrol and diesel at GBP1.49 a litre - I recon this is 9 bucks a gallon. And that is ordinary grade, not performance.

Tags - or tax disks in UK - well, my Kubota 1750 is free (as are trailers), but my old Discovery is about 300 dollars a year - a new one is double that.

On subject of US fuel prices, John Ward - a UK blogger - wrote a couple of pieces:

EXCLUSIVE: OIL THE REAL MOTIVES BEHIND THE PRICE INCREASES

Obama slamming oil price manipulation shows a powerless President on shakey moral ground. | The Slog

I'd be interested in how accurate those in US think John is.

J

My hat is always off to the European community. The biggest downfall here and the best attribute there is you, as europeans, is you practice protectionism and regulated trade. Here in this country we accept offshore goods with open arms. You as europeans 'man up' to high energy costs by adapting. Her, we whine about the cost but continue to purchase inefficient vehicles. The market as it pertains to vehicles is entirely consumer driven. If the American consumer demands fuel efficient vehicles and quits buying gas hogs, big vehicles, that sens a very distinct message to the manufacturers and they will comply because if they don't, they are out of business (excepting for the bailout which I was not in favor of).

 

[cdaigle430]

I've about HAD IT with gas prices and high vehicle taxes in my area!Had it I tell you! So much so that I'm honestly considering getting rid of my truck and just going to buy some beater pickup and call it a day. so what if it won't pull my trailer, cost too much to do so with the truck that WILL pull it now! When I bought my truck last summer I wanna say gas was around $2.40ish range. This lasted through December. It wasn't ideal but it wasn't absolutely back breaking to pay for gas either like it is now. I could at least live with it, it .

This is just getting out of hand in this country.

Very much out of hand but, we have wayyyyyyy too many nieve Americans gladly follow the heard. People actually follow the line of bull when politicians tell you they wont raise taxes. No they wont raise income tax, but, the add tax to everything else like beverages, prepared food and so on.

I posted a challange on this thread and many others and so far no one has taken it. The challange was for one month add up all the tax you paid to state and federal government and you will find that in the year 2012, you will not be taking home any money from your paycheck for the first 4-6 months.

 

[cdaigle430]

So tell me, who is they? If the price is inflated and you have an issue with it (price) the logical solution is abstain from purchasing it. No buyers equates to lowering the price to make a commodity more attractive and thus purchased.

Europeans aren't 'dumb'. On the contrary, they have the imtellegence to buy and drive vehicles that are efficient. We don't have that intellegence, obviously, at least some of us don't. However, those that don't have the ability to whine.........



No, you won't. You'll find something to whine about. It's an American pastime and the major reason why the rest of the civilized world looks at us like they do. It all goes back to entitlement and 'what you can do for me' instead of what I can do for myself. The current state of affairs is your responsibility (as a citizen and I hope a registered voter) entirely. You have no one to blame for the current situation, but yourself.

It's high time for you, as a citizen to take control of current events instead of expecting elected officials to wipe your butt, because they are and insread of toilet paper, they are using a wood stick...with splinters.



I smell no rat other than the very citizens who are perpetrating what's occuring as far as fuel prices, on themselves. Like I said in above answer. If you don't like the prices, quit buying the product. Shoe leather express sounds good to me, or, purchase a more fuel efficient vehicle. I agree that the gvernment is somewhat irresponsible but who allowed it to get that way??? You did, of course Problem is, people in this country are very good at laying the blame on someone else instead of accepting responsibility for their actions.



My hat is always off to the European community. The biggest downfall here and the best attribute there is you, as europeans, is you practice protectionism and regulated trade. Here in this country we accept offshore goods with open arms. You as europeans 'man up' to high energy costs by adapting. Her, we whine about the cost but continue to purchase inefficient vehicles. The market as it pertains to vehicles is entirely consumer driven. If the American consumer demands fuel efficient vehicles and quits buying gas hogs, big vehicles, that sens a very distinct message to the manufacturers and they will comply because if they don't, they are out of business (excepting for the bailout which I was not in favor of).

I disagree with you on the vehicle part;
Europeans pay much higher gas prices than we do, they always have. You think we have gas hogs in America? At least our cars will idle at highway speeds. Their cars are designed for optimal HP at higher rpms and we are talking 8-9k rpms. Look at your tacometer on your car, specifically if you own a V8, the redline is in the 7k range for most.

They have smaller cars because their infrastructure is smaller. Ever try and drive a Ford 350 super cab throu a typical suburban area in Europe-Not fun!.
I know cause I lived there for over three years (Germany and England).


Europeans are not smarter than us, they just have a smaller area with smaller a population and its easier to manager. There still at the mercy of oil and even more so than we are. Look what happened when Russia threatened to shut off the pipeling to Europe? They always had smaller cars, always had hi gas prices so if your looking to them for answers your wrong.

 

[5030]

Very much out of hand but, we have wayyyyyyy too many nieve Americans gladly follow the heard. People actually follow the line of bull when politicians tell you they wont raise taxes. No they wont raise income tax, but, the add tax to everything else like beverages, prepared food and so on.

I posted a challange on this thread and many others and so far no one has taken it. The challange was for one month add up all the tax you paid to state and federal government and you will find that in the year 2012, you will not be taking home any money from your paycheck for the first 4-6 months.

My comment to your comment is....

The government as it presently stands is the largest employer in the country and makes or produces no tangible product. However, as the largest employer, it also has the largest apetite for your money.

Your challenge is not a challenge but rather a statement as it pertains to supporting that employer and all the entitled people it distributes your money too....

I see you have a Jeep with a Hemi. You obviously ascribe to the American school of thought that bigger is better. You bought it, enjoy it.

Finally, being in Maine, you are close enough to Canada that perhapse you should immigrate there and you'll appreciate more, your contribution to the government as an employer.

 

[cdaigle430]

My comment to your comment is....

The government as it presently stands is the largest employer in the country and makes or produces no tangible product. However, as the largest employer, it also has the largest apetite for your money.

Your challenge is not a challenge but rather a statement as it pertains to supporting that employer and all the entitled people it distributes your money too....

I see you have a Jeep with a Hemi. You obviously ascribe to the American school of thought that bigger is better. You bought it, enjoy it.

Finally, being in Maine, you are close enough to Canada that perhapse you should immigrate there and you'll appreciate more, your contribution to the government as an employer.

I have a Jeep Hemi because it saves me from owning two cars 1 car and 1 pickup truck, I get two for the price of one I can haul, tow, hunt, have fun and drive on long trips safely. My Jeep is not a BIG vehicle, just versatile and I only lose 1 to two mpg compared to the V6 version. How many cars do you own I wonder?

Nahh, I served my country, gave up my hearing and a limb protecting her so that people like me can buy a gas gusler if they wanted and so that people like you can blame them for all the country's problems I'm staying right here bro. How about you? What did you give up for your country?

On a seperate note, people need to understand that supply and demand could just be the root cause for gas and oil prices. think about the fact that since China and India came on board industry wise so did the gas prices. If thats the case then we wil continue to see it go up. My guess is, since our economy and inflation is based on the price of oil there is no way to rectify the problem other than to choose a new commodadity like gold perhaps?

 

[kootch88]

I agree!
It's not as bad up here in NH, no sales taxes and $3.80/gal average vs the rest of the country but still out of hand.

Remember this in November, all though I don't think much will happen either way...

lol So let me guess, capitalism is now bad? Allowing supply and demand to dictate prices is suddenly evil? Do you want the government to step in and apply price controls? All over this site the general consensus is the government needs to stay out of things and let the markets decide prices. Is that only when it is convenient? Have any of you every dabbled in commodity trading by any chance and really understand how markets actually work?

Don't get me wrong, I hate paying taxes too, especially here in Maine, but understand a little about capitalism, economics and taxation before making decisions on which idiot to vote for instead of believing their rhetoric, and I mean ALL of these morons!!

 

[Ductape]

Nahh, I served my country, gave up my hearing and a limb protecting her so that people like me can buy a gas gusler if they wanted and so that people like you can blame them for all the country's problems I'm staying right here bro. How about you? What did you give up for your country?

Simply ignore 5030...... he thinks he is smarter than you, and therefore, should dictate what you drive. Apparently, we shouldn't be free to complain about something we feel is unjust. I'm surprised he didn't tell you Mitt Romney was governor of Maine while he was at it.

I thank you for your service to my country.

 

[2manyrocks]

yup... and yet just drive around your town and i bet EVERY gas station has the exact same price set on their pumps. when one changes theirs the others change theirs within hours.

If thats not the definition of price fixing...what is.

It's called "concious parallism" in antitrust language and it is not criminal because the government can't prove an agreement between the gas stations to all raise their prices. If the gas station owners met in a room and actually agreed to the same price, that would be criminal price fixing.

Part of me thinks we are paying gas prices like this because the feds have devalued the dollar so much that the gas companies have adjusted prices accordingly.

 

[dodge man]

Actually 5030 is the only one making any sense. If you don't like the price of something, don't buy it. Get a smaller car, whatever it takes. We are spoiled, and I admit it. I own 4 vehicles, two of them with a 5.7 hemi, one with a 5.9 Cummins, and an Olds with a Northstar V8. I'm as guilty as anyone of being over indulgent when it comes to vehicles and burning fuel. The difference is I am willing to pay for this over indulgence and not complain about it.