I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel...

   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel...
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#91  
Seems like you could have the shower on WHILE it's filling, spraying "the boys" and other parts.
My father moved down from Pennsylvania used to boiler heat (honestly, best heat you can get IMO).

Being that he was 86 years old when he came in to move with us, the basement (where he lived) had a gas furnace. Cooling was never needed for the basement for my dad, and I don't think it rarely, if ever got below 76F year round in that basement for my father. The bathroom was rarely cold LOL

But yes, I guess if you were freezing waiting for the water to fill up, you could run the shower.

Having one now, next house if we build, will have one.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #92  
THAT wouldn’t be to bad, IF it worked like THAT.. (the spigot worked filling the tub while u took a shower.)
but like your regular home shower, it’s one or the other..
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #93  
THAT wouldn’t be to bad, IF it worked like THAT.. (the spigot worked filling the tub while u took a shower.)
but like your regular home shower, it’s one or the other..
If that's a concern I'm surprised there isn't someone smart enough to install plumbing to fill the tub at the same time.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #94  
My inlaws just got a quote for a bathroom remodel last week... Nothing fancy. Remove garden tub, install large tile shower.

$40k

Nope
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #95  
My inlaws just got a quote for a bathroom remodel last week... Nothing fancy. Remove garden tub, install large tile shower.

$40k

Nope
We paid just over 30 for our master bath last year. All the quotes were pure sticker shock. Not even a big bathroom either. They did rip it to the studs and re-did all the electrical and plumbing. Also no Home Depot finishes. What a difference though price aside. Ouch is all I can say there. I was expecting to pay around 15.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #96  
So, if you want some insite; each separate day, figure $2000 plus the materials. Now, think of each trade, and how many days, and if they have to stop and schedule an inspection. We break it into phases
1) Demo
1a) plumbers to cut cap
1b) demo guys, remove drywall, ect
1c) electricians demo
2) New rough
2a) plumbers do the new rough work
2b) plumbing inspection
2c) electricians new wire runs/boxes
2d) electrical rough inspection
3) finishes
3a) drywall, rock and tap
3b) drywall finish
3c) tile guy
3d) tile grout
3e) trim carpenter
3f) paint
3g) plumbers trim
3h) electricians trim
4) finals
4a) paint punch
4b) clean
4c) plumbing/drywall/electrical finals

You quickly have 22 days, of on site work. Keep in mind, if say, plumbers only has 2 hours of work, that's at Best, half a day, and likely a full day. You can't stack trades in a bathroom. You can't control inspection schedules.

That's kinda a worse case scenario, but thats probably 45 calender days, and every bit of $45,000 of work. All while charging a premium for having to deal with a resident, unknown conditions, ect.

Edit; you also can't have plumbers in morning, and assume drywall guy will schedule you for an afternoon. Honestly, each guy probably won't add you to the schedule until the critical path guy above him as completed it.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #97  
I do realize many areas, they aren't going to want/due/require inspections for the remodeling, but by the book, most technically should. Also, you might get a handyman to do 90% of this, but likely he isn't actually legally allowed to do work over $500 or $1000.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #98  
So, if you want some insite; each separate day, figure $2000 plus the materials. Now, think of each trade, and how many days, and if they have to stop and schedule an inspection. We break it into phases
1) Demo
1a) plumbers to cut cap
1b) demo guys, remove drywall, ect
1c) electricians demo
2) New rough
2a) plumbers do the new rough work
2b) plumbing inspection
2c) electricians new wire runs/boxes
2d) electrical rough inspection
3) finishes
3a) drywall, rock and tap
3b) drywall finish
3c) tile guy
3d) tile grout
3e) trim carpenter
3f) paint
3g) plumbers trim
3h) electricians trim
4) finals
4a) paint punch
4b) clean
4c) plumbing/drywall/electrical finals

You quickly have 22 days, of on site work. Keep in mind, if say, plumbers only has 2 hours of work, that's at Best, half a day, and likely a full day. You can't stack trades in a bathroom. You can't control inspection schedules.

That's kinda a worse case scenario, but thats probably 45 calender days, and every bit of $45,000 of work. All while charging a premium for having to deal with a resident, unknown conditions, ect.

Edit; you also can't have plumbers in morning, and assume drywall guy will schedule you for an afternoon. Honestly, each guy probably won't add you to the schedule until the critical path guy above him as completed it.
Neighbor just had bath done last year and it was 48k and this year tax collector added 600 annual to bill for improvement.

I did complete bath remodels 25 years ago moving tub and toilet locations, new window, new kohler cast iron tub, new American standard toilet, drywall, marble, vanity, medicine chest and designer inlaid coved floor for $3500… roughly half materials and half labor…

$3500 to $45k in 25 years is hard to fathom…

New panel Service Upgrades from 30 amp to 100 amp $1200.

I don’t know how a working person taking home $2500 every two weeks can afford anything construction wise today…
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #99  
I made my master bedroom/bathroom myself 10 years ago. Only materials was $13k. Since then materials went up at least 100% which makes it about $25-30k. Add labor and you get your estimate.
Before I sold the house in 2021 I wanted fresh paint on the second floor. Three bedrooms, a small bathroom and a little hallway. The average estimate was $5K
Did it myself for $70-80 in 1 day.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #100  
My inlaws just got a quote for a bathroom remodel last week... Nothing fancy. Remove garden tub, install large tile shower.

$40k

Nope
This is a bathroom remodel that I finished a month ago. Client is elderly with a very bad back. His wife has to help him take a shower and they could not fit into the existing shower. Neither of them ever used the corner tub. They wanted a zero lip shower so she could wheel him into the shower if he wasn't able to walk. He can barely walk, but it's very slow and he can't lift his feet.

It's a concrete foundation, so I removed the concrete and then poured new concrete after I relocated the drain. I blocked for 5 grab bars inside the shower. And another by the shelves, where she puts him on a chair to shave his face and cut his hair. They went with a shower curtain, which saved a bunch of money. Glass starts out expensive, and then it gets absurd. I don't have anything to do with glass, and a lot of the time, the only time I ever see it is when I come back to do another job for the client. Sadly, most of my clients hate the glass after it's installed.

On this job I charged $9,000 for labor, and the materials where just over $3,000. I bid it as 3 weeks work and while I was there, they added other things for me to do that made it closer to 4 weeks

It really amazes me what people are able to charge for doing similar work. I personally think that I'm making good money doing this by myself. No helpers, no other contractors are involved. I do all the work; I make all the money. I think when you start hiring people to do each part of the job, it runs up the costs. Another factor is how fancy the house is, or how much money they think you have. I charge the same for everyone. Oddly, the ones that usually balk, or have trouble coming up with the money are the ones in the high-end neighborhoods. The vast majority of my clients are elderly, retired, and widows with middle class homes. Most of my work for the widows is fixing what a friend, or somebodies' husband from church did.


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