I'm wore out! - fencing
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Actually, in NH snowmobilers support most of this including the paying the policy (I believe). Out of every sticker, a couple of dollars goes to Fish and Game for enforcement, some goes to trail maintance, and some goes to equipment purchase. I believe the ATV's have the same situation, but also local Police Departments can get grants to purchase equipment (ATV's) and pay for enforcement.
It's a pretty nice setup. Snowmobiling is one of the top money makers for the state, and is relativley self funded. Some states take money from the funds to help balance the budget or whatever there whim.
The policy also cover's bikers, mushers, walkers and Horse back riders who use the trails we maintain.
Actually, in NH snowmobilers support most of this including the paying the policy (I believe). Out of every sticker, a couple of dollars goes to Fish and Game for enforcement, some goes to trail maintance, and some goes to equipment purchase. I believe the ATV's have the same situation, but also local Police Departments can get grants to purchase equipment (ATV's) and pay for enforcement.
It's a pretty nice setup. Snowmobiling is one of the top money makers for the state, and is relativley self funded. Some states take money from the funds to help balance the budget or whatever there whim.
The policy also cover's bikers, mushers, walkers and Horse back riders who use the trails we maintain.
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Hi Phil, I am sorry to hear about the issues. I was wondering if considered gates? If we have a trail, and there are problems like this, we will work the the landowner to correct the issue. If a gate is needed, we will put one in (our money, not landowners).
Don't mean to butt in, but there are not a lot of trails so we try to bend over backwards for the ones we do have.
Hi Phil, I am sorry to hear about the issues. I was wondering if considered gates? If we have a trail, and there are problems like this, we will work the the landowner to correct the issue. If a gate is needed, we will put one in (our money, not landowners).
Don't mean to butt in, but there are not a lot of trails so we try to bend over backwards for the ones we do have.
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Soundguy,
The visibility items are a nice safety touch. However as long as a fence is of an approved type for your area....well fences go up everyday and if someone hits one it would seem to be their problem. In case of an incident just do not say I put it up to keep them out, just to keep livestock in or out /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
A friend of mine has had a lot of problems with 4 hellers and after the fence was erected it was cut. A hot low impedance charger seemed to cure that problem /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Soundguy,
The visibility items are a nice safety touch. However as long as a fence is of an approved type for your area....well fences go up everyday and if someone hits one it would seem to be their problem. In case of an incident just do not say I put it up to keep them out, just to keep livestock in or out /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
A friend of mine has had a lot of problems with 4 hellers and after the fence was erected it was cut. A hot low impedance charger seemed to cure that problem /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Ben
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Dave,
The local club did offer me a gate. They would lock it and issue keys to club members to use. But I was worried this would cause the 4 wheelers to just make their own entrance.
I am aware of all the items you presented to both Docheb and to me. All this info was provided to me by the local snowmobile club. As I said I never had issues with them. They were polite and freindly when they approached me. Any the snowmobilers who used the trail were freindly and respectful. Never any trouble with hikers nor mountain bikers neither.
It is a shame a few renegades can ruin it for all. Jim Harrigan, a columnist for the Union Leader and a newspaper owner himself writes about this often. More and more land in the north country is being posted.
It is an important revenue stream for NH. But there wheeled vehicles cause problems. The spur trail in my yard hooks up to the Derry-Rockinham trail. The trail actually starts in Windham but Windham has worked to seal it up. Lots of homeowners complaints about wheeled vehicles. They fought the state with little success so they closed off public access in Windham.
Derry recently acquired an ATV with a grant. They are working to address complaints.
Phil
Dave,
The local club did offer me a gate. They would lock it and issue keys to club members to use. But I was worried this would cause the 4 wheelers to just make their own entrance.
I am aware of all the items you presented to both Docheb and to me. All this info was provided to me by the local snowmobile club. As I said I never had issues with them. They were polite and freindly when they approached me. Any the snowmobilers who used the trail were freindly and respectful. Never any trouble with hikers nor mountain bikers neither.
It is a shame a few renegades can ruin it for all. Jim Harrigan, a columnist for the Union Leader and a newspaper owner himself writes about this often. More and more land in the north country is being posted.
It is an important revenue stream for NH. But there wheeled vehicles cause problems. The spur trail in my yard hooks up to the Derry-Rockinham trail. The trail actually starts in Windham but Windham has worked to seal it up. Lots of homeowners complaints about wheeled vehicles. They fought the state with little success so they closed off public access in Windham.
Derry recently acquired an ATV with a grant. They are working to address complaints.
Phil
Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
Maybe the law should allow confiscation of the atv/snowmobile from the offender. With a little enforcement, word would get around quickly. I think it would address a lot of the problems we have with these individuals. A public auction of the machines could put money back into the budgets for the local police dept. and the Fish & Game dept. Maybe a 50/50 split between state & local. It also seems more friendly than my thoughts of lethal enforcement /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Maybe the law should allow confiscation of the atv/snowmobile from the offender. With a little enforcement, word would get around quickly. I think it would address a lot of the problems we have with these individuals. A public auction of the machines could put money back into the budgets for the local police dept. and the Fish & Game dept. Maybe a 50/50 split between state & local. It also seems more friendly than my thoughts of lethal enforcement /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 7 acre lot and on the other side is a 5 acre lot. They do not ride there!! Why? Because we do not own it!!!!! )</font>
I wish you were my neighbor... and not those that try to destroy my property...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( 7 acre lot and on the other side is a 5 acre lot. They do not ride there!! Why? Because we do not own it!!!!! )</font>
I wish you were my neighbor... and not those that try to destroy my property...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The visibility items are a nice safety touch. However as long as a fence is of an approved type for your area....well fences go up everyday and if someone hits one it would seem to be their problem. )</font>
Yep.. barb wire and t-post are common. One parcel boardering mine is barb wire as well.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( case of an incident just do not say I put it up to keep them out, just to keep livestock in or out )</font>
Actually.. wouldn't even be a lie... I am renovating that pasture for just that purpose... livestock.. and the fence was just another step towards that goal.. albiet.. a little sooner than I planned.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The visibility items are a nice safety touch. However as long as a fence is of an approved type for your area....well fences go up everyday and if someone hits one it would seem to be their problem. )</font>
Yep.. barb wire and t-post are common. One parcel boardering mine is barb wire as well.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( case of an incident just do not say I put it up to keep them out, just to keep livestock in or out )</font>
Actually.. wouldn't even be a lie... I am renovating that pasture for just that purpose... livestock.. and the fence was just another step towards that goal.. albiet.. a little sooner than I planned.
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Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
Well, it has been 2 full days since i contacted the Sheriff's dept. -again-, asking for a 'second opinion' from the dispatch supervisor, on whether they would fill out an incedent report for me or not. ( As most of you know, my first call to the dpt. I was told that they wouldn't come out or fill out an incedent report unles the tresspassers/vandals were actually there.. right at the moment I called.. )
Boy.. it's hard trying to get the 'enforcement' portion of 'law-enforcement' going if they won't even talk to ya...
If no communication by end of the day, I guess I move on up the food chain to the sheriff himself, and then the next step would be to talk to the guy running against him in november elections, and send a letter to the newspaper editor..... all I want is a little bit of lip service.. nothing major... just some sort of justification on why I'm paying property taxes.. etc..
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Well, it has been 2 full days since i contacted the Sheriff's dept. -again-, asking for a 'second opinion' from the dispatch supervisor, on whether they would fill out an incedent report for me or not. ( As most of you know, my first call to the dpt. I was told that they wouldn't come out or fill out an incedent report unles the tresspassers/vandals were actually there.. right at the moment I called.. )
Boy.. it's hard trying to get the 'enforcement' portion of 'law-enforcement' going if they won't even talk to ya...
If no communication by end of the day, I guess I move on up the food chain to the sheriff himself, and then the next step would be to talk to the guy running against him in november elections, and send a letter to the newspaper editor..... all I want is a little bit of lip service.. nothing major... just some sort of justification on why I'm paying property taxes.. etc..
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I was told that they wouldn't come out or fill out an incedent report unles the tresspassers/vandals were actually there.. right at the moment I called.. )
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So if you come home some evening and discover that your house has been "vandalised" with broken windows/doors, defaced siding, busted porch railings, etc., the sheriff's department wouldn't come out to make a report unless the vandals were actually there doing the damage and willing to wait there while the deputies come out?? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
You might add to your list of people to contact the mayor/city manager/County Administrator (or whatever your community has) who the Sherriff reports too. He must have someone that he reports to. A little pressure from them should help.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I was told that they wouldn't come out or fill out an incedent report unles the tresspassers/vandals were actually there.. right at the moment I called.. )
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So if you come home some evening and discover that your house has been "vandalised" with broken windows/doors, defaced siding, busted porch railings, etc., the sheriff's department wouldn't come out to make a report unless the vandals were actually there doing the damage and willing to wait there while the deputies come out?? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
You might add to your list of people to contact the mayor/city manager/County Administrator (or whatever your community has) who the Sherriff reports too. He must have someone that he reports to. A little pressure from them should help.
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NY is almost the same as NH. The sled clubs go to painstaking efforts to have owners feel comfortable about what their doing and show the gratitiude to the owners through invites to social functions for free, honorary membership, gift certificates and the like. I've always seen quick response to an owners call to the club president and clean-up days to put signs up and down before and after the season to keep a good thing going.
The state now has more police on sleds, road checks for paperwork including membership to a club. The money we put out to registrations goes to the insurance costs of the state, patrols, and trail funds for grooming, maintenance and the like.
ATV for their part just don't have this network going for them in NY. So to blame them for being out of control is hard because there's no support at levels like sleds have. I had kids going through my yard ripping the corner of the yard up. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I went down and spoke to the kid and asked that he slow down around my place to not rip my yard up and he apologized and never spoke to him again. Vs running the road and getting hit I thought it was better for him to ride through my yard vs the road. With some effort everyone was happy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
NY is almost the same as NH. The sled clubs go to painstaking efforts to have owners feel comfortable about what their doing and show the gratitiude to the owners through invites to social functions for free, honorary membership, gift certificates and the like. I've always seen quick response to an owners call to the club president and clean-up days to put signs up and down before and after the season to keep a good thing going.
The state now has more police on sleds, road checks for paperwork including membership to a club. The money we put out to registrations goes to the insurance costs of the state, patrols, and trail funds for grooming, maintenance and the like.
ATV for their part just don't have this network going for them in NY. So to blame them for being out of control is hard because there's no support at levels like sleds have. I had kids going through my yard ripping the corner of the yard up. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I went down and spoke to the kid and asked that he slow down around my place to not rip my yard up and he apologized and never spoke to him again. Vs running the road and getting hit I thought it was better for him to ride through my yard vs the road. With some effort everyone was happy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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I respect that line of thought. At least in this case you thought about it without closing the door on the idea. A main trail artery in our town goes through 2 yards with houses close to each other. We know if we mess that up were in trouble. So it's marked real well and it's not been a problem for 3 years now
I respect that line of thought. At least in this case you thought about it without closing the door on the idea. A main trail artery in our town goes through 2 yards with houses close to each other. We know if we mess that up were in trouble. So it's marked real well and it's not been a problem for 3 years now
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( vandals were actually there doing the damage and willing to wait there while the deputies come out?? )</font>
Makes you wonder doesn't it.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You might add to your list of people to contact the mayor/city manager/County Administrator (or whatever your community has) who the Sherriff reports too. He must have someone that he reports to. A little pressure from them should help. )</font>
Luckily it didn't have to go that far. Tuesday I emailed the communications supervisor ( she is head of the sheriffs dispatch ) I got an email earlier that stated that in reality , that I should have been able to speak to a deputy, and had a report made.. even if it was just for information. She aranged for one to call me.. and I now have a report and case number... with the understanding that it is a closed case.. unless I had more details to provide. That was fine.. I wanted it as a matter of record in case i have future related problems.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( vandals were actually there doing the damage and willing to wait there while the deputies come out?? )</font>
Makes you wonder doesn't it.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You might add to your list of people to contact the mayor/city manager/County Administrator (or whatever your community has) who the Sherriff reports too. He must have someone that he reports to. A little pressure from them should help. )</font>
Luckily it didn't have to go that far. Tuesday I emailed the communications supervisor ( she is head of the sheriffs dispatch ) I got an email earlier that stated that in reality , that I should have been able to speak to a deputy, and had a report made.. even if it was just for information. She aranged for one to call me.. and I now have a report and case number... with the understanding that it is a closed case.. unless I had more details to provide. That was fine.. I wanted it as a matter of record in case i have future related problems.
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Glad to hear that you got some satisfaction Chris. Hope things go better now. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Glad to hear that you got some satisfaction Chris. Hope things go better now. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
Golfgar4,
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You might add to your list of people to contact the mayor/city manager/County Administrator (or whatever your community has) who the Sherriff reports too. He must have someone that he reports to. A little pressure from them should help. )</font>
There might be an exception somewhere but Sheriff's are elected and they don't report to anyone but the voters. That does not mean one can put pressure on them with the press, mayor, county boards, etc. but in NC they report only to the voters. And in NC they can hire and fire pretty much as the please since they are elected officials. Don't understand that part but that is what the courts decided.
Later,
Dan
Golfgar4,
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You might add to your list of people to contact the mayor/city manager/County Administrator (or whatever your community has) who the Sherriff reports too. He must have someone that he reports to. A little pressure from them should help. )</font>
There might be an exception somewhere but Sheriff's are elected and they don't report to anyone but the voters. That does not mean one can put pressure on them with the press, mayor, county boards, etc. but in NC they report only to the voters. And in NC they can hire and fire pretty much as the please since they are elected officials. Don't understand that part but that is what the courts decided.
Later,
Dan
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There might be an exception somewhere but Sheriff's are elected and they don't report to anyone but the voters. )</font>
Dan,
Yeah, I realize that. But I've seen situations in our county where the Sheriff's performance might be lacking from "operator head space and timing", if you know what I mean. In some of those instances, the County Administrator would step in and right the boat, as it were. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Now I'm sure that technically the County Administrator did not have authority over the Sheriff. But as both positions are elected positions, and the County Administrator is generally acknowledged as the higher of the two positions, it behooves the Sheriff to "work with" the Adminsitrator. At least, if he would like to be elected again! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But otherwise , I agree with your assessement. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There might be an exception somewhere but Sheriff's are elected and they don't report to anyone but the voters. )</font>
Dan,
Yeah, I realize that. But I've seen situations in our county where the Sheriff's performance might be lacking from "operator head space and timing", if you know what I mean. In some of those instances, the County Administrator would step in and right the boat, as it were. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Now I'm sure that technically the County Administrator did not have authority over the Sheriff. But as both positions are elected positions, and the County Administrator is generally acknowledged as the higher of the two positions, it behooves the Sheriff to "work with" the Adminsitrator. At least, if he would like to be elected again! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But otherwise , I agree with your assessement. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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From what I've seen, the governor still has power over the sheriff. We had a sheriff removed by the gov inlake county for some fraudulent actions he did.. gov appointed a temp one till elections.
Soundguy
From what I've seen, the governor still has power over the sheriff. We had a sheriff removed by the gov inlake county for some fraudulent actions he did.. gov appointed a temp one till elections.
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I think any 4 wheeler, snowmobilers and gun shooters should pay to play. I lift weights and run a treadmill I pay the health club every month. No difference with Motorized sports.
A couple dollar entrance fee sounds like a fair toll. 2 out 4 in my neighborhood have 4 wheelers But they tresspass on this guys property at the end of the street to ride them. The land sold recnetly to a commerical development so I have afeeling we will be seeing some 4 wheelers for sale.
If i had a few hundred acres I would start a business letting 4 wheelers ride on my proerty.
One thing I despise is people who tresspass to shoot guns. Lead poisining in ground water is very dangerous as well as soil contamination.
I think any 4 wheeler, snowmobilers and gun shooters should pay to play. I lift weights and run a treadmill I pay the health club every month. No difference with Motorized sports.
A couple dollar entrance fee sounds like a fair toll. 2 out 4 in my neighborhood have 4 wheelers But they tresspass on this guys property at the end of the street to ride them. The land sold recnetly to a commerical development so I have afeeling we will be seeing some 4 wheelers for sale.
If i had a few hundred acres I would start a business letting 4 wheelers ride on my proerty.
One thing I despise is people who tresspass to shoot guns. Lead poisining in ground water is very dangerous as well as soil contamination.
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In New York you must have your ATV registered in order to have it on your land unless it is for farm use. However, it is not enforced. If ATV's were registered it would be easy to catch the trouble makers by taking a picture of the license plate number on the back of the atv. Our other problem is our govenor stole the money from ATV registrations that was suppose to set up a ATV trail in NY and used it for other things so some of the people who don't own land ride where ever they want. I tagged along with a friend of mine who was going on a ride with his friend. I am following these guys when all of the sudden I see the NO ATV signs of the NY DEC on the State land. The guy who was leading just laughed and went thru riding all over the state land. I turned around and went back to the truck, loaded up and went home. The guy leading was not a kid and should have known better but he didn't care. Worst part was his kids were riding as well and all he did was show them they didn't have to respect the laws. The police and DEC need to enforce ATV laws more strickly to help get this problem over with. They crack down on the snowmobilers fairly well but not the atv misfits. My neighbors moved out here last year. They bought 1 acre of land and are surrounded by grape vineyards so they now have a bunch of chickens, a small dirt bike a couple ATVs, 3 junk campers and a bunch of other junk all on the 1 acre of land they own. However they ride as fast as they can thru the vineyards which they do not own nor maintain. The owner puts a lot of money into it and try to keep the driveways good but the idiots running the atvs at those speeds are just tearing it up. Laws need to be enforced before we should have to build fences.
In New York you must have your ATV registered in order to have it on your land unless it is for farm use. However, it is not enforced. If ATV's were registered it would be easy to catch the trouble makers by taking a picture of the license plate number on the back of the atv. Our other problem is our govenor stole the money from ATV registrations that was suppose to set up a ATV trail in NY and used it for other things so some of the people who don't own land ride where ever they want. I tagged along with a friend of mine who was going on a ride with his friend. I am following these guys when all of the sudden I see the NO ATV signs of the NY DEC on the State land. The guy who was leading just laughed and went thru riding all over the state land. I turned around and went back to the truck, loaded up and went home. The guy leading was not a kid and should have known better but he didn't care. Worst part was his kids were riding as well and all he did was show them they didn't have to respect the laws. The police and DEC need to enforce ATV laws more strickly to help get this problem over with. They crack down on the snowmobilers fairly well but not the atv misfits. My neighbors moved out here last year. They bought 1 acre of land and are surrounded by grape vineyards so they now have a bunch of chickens, a small dirt bike a couple ATVs, 3 junk campers and a bunch of other junk all on the 1 acre of land they own. However they ride as fast as they can thru the vineyards which they do not own nor maintain. The owner puts a lot of money into it and try to keep the driveways good but the idiots running the atvs at those speeds are just tearing it up. Laws need to be enforced before we should have to build fences.
