Importing a Personal Use Tractor

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Scozz

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Kama 454 w/Kokyer 195 loader
After reading Andy's tread on a container of Jinma's being held by Customs I wonder what frequency of "problems" with importation actually is. More specifically I'd like to reach out to individuals who have dealt direct with China and imported a single tractor for their personal use. I'm considering going this route and would appreciate hearing success stories and/or nightmares.
Anthony
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #2  
Here's a Jinma 220 on Ebay for $3,250.

Already imported, new, fully assembled. Located in Missouri.

Link to Jinma on Ebay

I don't see how you could import one and save anything off that price.
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #3  
Anthony,

I did this, a few years ago. No real horror stories, just allot of anxious moments. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Customs is now much tighter, and many are being inspected. Given what it costs for a Jinma these days, don't think I would go through the pain again.

A few things to keep in mind:
- Single purchases get shipped loose frieght, which will get allot more handling. The chance of damage is much higher, and you stand a good chance of losing some parts. Most of the damage will be found after you unpack, not at the pick-up warehouse. Many times shipping damage effects a part that is not commonly stocked as a wear item part. ie, you might be waiting awhile for a replacement. Also if you are not a competent welder, may want to plan on finding one.

- While major issues, are generally rare, be prepared (mentally) if you do have one. Ie major engine or drivetrain issue. These will take a while to resolve and will require you to do all the mechanical work, be it tear down engine or split tractor.

- Depending on who is doing the paperwork, and who you are dealing with in China, and how lucky you are getting through customs, be prepared for some form of paperwork issue that will cause some additional warehouse fees. Could be a real pain, if you are driving hours to make the pick-up. Many times they don't find the issue until you are there for pick-up. This happened to me, and luckly it just turned into a few hour delay, vs renting another truck and coming back a different day.

- There are usually some sort of "surprise" with each import. The factory might have made a change or factory issue. This will impact the single tractor importer, more than the container or large importer. When I received mine, I had two front fel mounts for the same side, not one for left and one for right. I was able to find someone with the opposite problem and do a switch. Otherwise it was a cut and weld solution.

Can it be done? Yes
Can it be a pain? Plan on it
Can it save money? Maybe a little, but may cost you more
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #4  
JohnS is 100% correct !!!

Maybe you can save some money, but you will loss something !!!

<font color="red"> The chance of damage is much higher, and you stand a good chance of losing some parts. Most of the damage will be found after you unpack, not at the pick-up warehouse. </font>
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #5  
I saw one of your other posts, that you are looking to import a Kama, not a Jinma. I am not sure, if that will be any different or not. You will have less of a selection to get stateside parts (ie emergency parts that you are not willing to wait from china). While Chip and others are probably well stocked, it will not be comparable to all the sources of Jinma parts. Your tech info will be limited to Chip, Greg, and a few others, as that brand gains acceptance in the USA. The good news is that they are very active on the boards, and will probably be able to help.
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #6  
I just wanted to say again, I agree with JohnS 100%

the problems that can come NOW compaired to even 2 years ago are much higher and in regards to some other recent postings about even dealers are starting to have some problems with importing tractors... It is far less chancy to BUY from a dealer now than it is a real $ saver over self importing. If you are looking to do it more for the KNOLAGE gained then you still can but the real savings are not so big anymore as the recent influx of FarmPros as well as long time importers such as Nortrac or Bolton makes self importing only a small % of savings and you can get much better after sales help if you have a good standing dealer such as graham @ bolton or any number of dealers listed on JohnS's web site or on NYCTOA or CTOA sites... (personally nave not bought anything from graham or anyone else that is active any longer but have communicated with many a dealer looking for info and such.)

anyhow if you look REALLY at the costs involved (many of them are hidden) when you look at importing one (or one container full) the stateside dealer costs are not bad, best way to SAVE$ is to go with a CRATE purchace and assemble it you're self. (some hidden costs can be port fee's, shippingfee's, fuel surcharges, dock fee's and so on...) I got a container full 3 yrs back and decided to buy inconjunction with a states side dealer start up... I would do it again but if I was only getting ONE I would simply call one or two of the dealers listed and get some prices... I'm sure you can get them sent in the color and options you want and probably be able to get one from STOCK right now at a near cost as winter sales of tractors are very slow.

mark M /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #7  
I've taken the plunge, but not very happy at the moment.
Paid Hubie Export half up front. 68 days later I'm still waiting for a JM284 that they told me would arrive in 45 - 55 days.

English is not a strong point with their sales staff!
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #8  
Dear Andy Spain,

1. It's Hubei, Not Hubie !!!

2. Generally they need 30 days to arrange the production, & 45~55 days for shipping & customs clearing.

3. Maybe now is the busiest season, so the date of production will be longer !!!

4. As my known, another Chinese Benye tractor plant does not accept new export purchase order in October because they are fully engaged in China dometic tractor orders production now.

5. Please wait patiently. But you may be careful that you'd better receive your tractor & clear the customs before Jan 1st 2005, to avoid the possible further EPA trouble in the new year.
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #9  
Andy,
Have you heard of something new that will affect arrivals after January import date?
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #10  
There are several posts on this subject and delays aren't uncommon. As the previous and other posts suggest you can encounter many problems when importing.

Mark H
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #11  
<font color="blueclass=small">( Andy,
Have you heard of something new that will affect arrivals after January import date? )

I sent you an e-mail today ! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

We will be in 7 days' National Day holiday from Oct 1st to 7th.

But I heard Benye tractor plant will only have 3 days' holiday.

Because they are fully engaged in the domestic purchase order production.

And they will move to a new bigger factory site in the coming month.
 
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Dear Andy with the red logo,

Thank you for your comments in numerical order.

1) I’m told my tractor left the port and that the shippers will contact me via fax.

I be here, my money be there, Hubei the shippers I wonder!!!

2) Thank you, but I have read the Hubei FAQ page and the bit about delivery etc. This partly led me to parting with my money in the first place. They say 45 – 55 days.

3) "busiest season" If it was the monsoon season and they gave that as reason for the delay that would be acceptable. I feel a bit like a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed bull ****.

4) "Benye", yes.

5) EPA, what the hell is that I wonder and does it affect Andy living in Spain waiting patiently (thanks to the responses received via this forum) for his tractor?

All the best

Andyspain
 
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Andy, please take the time & fill out the profile. It may help you get better assistance. I, thought spain was part of your name, I didn't realize it was where you lived. I'm betting many here thought you were in the states, hence the info about the Enviromental Protection Agency (EPA).
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #14  
and I thought it was a play on Andy's name, ie Andy's Pain!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #15  
Me too! but it seems he is dealing with another agent at Hubei.
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #17  
Hi Bluechip. "another agent" You know the employees by name? Perhaps Hu Qin is new at Hubei, that would explain a lot. I'm still waiting for a BILL OF LOADING, until I get a copy of that I have to except her word that my tractor is now bobbing about the ocean. If it is why aren't they asking for the rest of the money?
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #18  
Andy, he goes by Andy, AKA Yan Jun. I have not delt with him but have emailed back and forth with him. He has posted on here quite a bit recently. It is a big company, he may or may not know your agent.
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #19  
Bluechip, thanks for the reply, but I must confess to be a bit lost!
Is this correct: A guy using the name Andy to post messages on this forum was christened Yan Jun and he's the Hubei employee you know or have emailed in the past?
Could this be same Andy with the red logo? When you refer to the possibility of Andy knowing my agent you mean Hu Qin (export agent), not the shipping agent, correct? Thank you for being patent with me. All the best Andyspain
 
   / Importing a Personal Use Tractor #20  
It's arrived and I must say I'm delighted withthe 284. Started putting it together today. Two things missing though. The hydraulic pump for the backhoe and the under tractor exhaust muffler. I phoned Martin at Jinma UK about the pump and he told me it should have come packed inside the hoe bucket. I'm hoping Hubei will get this to me quickly. Must say the new hood (fiberglass) is the business. Thanks all.
 

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