Inexpensive Welding Solution?????

   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #81  
Pat, I do not understand all the dynamics of TIG and wave forms, but I believe that you have to have the "other side" of the wave with TIG to do the aluminum to get the cleaning action needed to break the oxide surface up. So did you get actually to both sides of the line with the sine wave or did it always stay on the one side? I am probably just not understanding, but it sounds like pulsed DC, and to the best of my knowledge, that will not work. What you described, ie, not seeing the change, in the material sounded an awful lot like welding Al with DC which is what made me make the comment. I would have told you to slide the wave balance on my machine to more cleaning action till you saw the puddle change.

Could be way off base, and I certainly do not fully understand the whole thing, but that would be my belief.

As too the Alu MIG, that is why they invented spoolguns. :) The problem with running Alu on a "standard" larger mig, is the normal length of the gun. Again, back to my spaghetti, you are lengthining the straw. Some production applications use a very short lead Mig, but most either go too a spool gun, or high volume folks go to what is called a "push pull" set up, where the machine pushes the wire forward, and the gun has another set of powered rollers pulling it forward as well.

I have done it in a pinch several times with a baby mig (lincoln 100, Hobart whatever, and a Miller 130) If you are going to do it, get another liner just for the alu wire. But sometimes when it starts going wrong and you are cleaning out the 3rd birdsnest of the evening, it can drive you flat out nuts.

Gem, the cast is usaully a bit harder, as again, the crust or oxide layer is usually tougher. One thing that may help you is to literally stir the base metal with you fill rod to break that crust, sometimes cast can be truly miserable, because it is very rare that you truly KNOW what base metal composition you are working with. Sometimes on cast you just keep going in, grinding out, and building back.
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #82  
Well,I ain't worked with much aluminum,,,its a whole nother ball game,,aluminum has a greyish oxide on it that you gotta clean off first,cause its got a higher melting temp than the aluminum,,and your wires gotta be clean,,that alone can cause you big problems,,mig and tig,,,when using tig you gotta use ac current,argon gas and you don't grind your tungsten to a sharp point like for steel,,you make it pointy but kinda round at the end a little,you really need a machine with high frequency too,
mig,dcep and argon and spool gun,or somekinda gun that pulls the wire and is made for this,,also,,your not short circuiting with aluminum,,you want a spray type mode[as most of you are when mig welding steel,well,all of you]edit here,that was confusing even for me,,,you are short circuiting on steel,,,,believe you want spray mode with aluminum,,which means higher amps,and or smaller wire generally speaking,,edit done,well, for now,,,,
Its not all that hard to weld it,if you got the right equipement ,and got all the little things worked out,,but,,,,and you can multipass it too!! had to throw that in,,,,thingy
 
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   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #84  
AlanB said:
Pat, I do not understand all the dynamics of TIG and wave forms, but I believe that you have to have the "other side" of the wave with TIG to do the aluminum to get the cleaning action needed to break the oxide surface up. So did you get actually to both sides of the line with the sine wave or did it always stay on the one side? I am probably just not understanding, but it sounds like pulsed DC, and to the best of my knowledge, that will not work.

Yup, pulsed DC with variable pulse width and constant (high) open circuit voltage. This unit welded really well through rust and even chromed bumpers.

Pat
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #85  
Pat,you do alot of that chrome bumper welding? You probably picked that up in your experimental battery welding days or something? Gotta watch those fumes from them chrome bumpers now. thingy
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #86  
thingy said:
Pat,you do alot of that chrome bumper welding? You probably picked that up in your experimental battery welding days or something? Gotta watch those fumes from them chrome bumpers now. thingy

Actually I never welded with a battery for a power source but I did use a battery to power "cut rod."

The previous posts were discussing battery operated welders for stick and a combo unit for stick or TIG. One model had a 120VAC outlet on the side and the heat control varied the power out of the outlet. Many power tools are AD/DC so the heat control became a speed control for power tools. Handy for using a grinder when no AC was available.

The basic unit weighed 23 lbs (without any batts) They typically were operated from a pair of 100 AH 12 volt batts. We had an arrangement where they would be charged in parallel but power the welder in series.

Part of this project was an outgrowth of the Army's interest in a man pack welder.

I didn't do much chrome bumper welding except for demos to show how well it worked.

Pat
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #87  
Well good,just was worried for you is all,thingy
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #88  
thingy said:
Well good,just was worried for you is all,thingy

Yeah, breathing the fumes from lots of different welding processes is NOT GOOD. I still weld galvanized but try to avoid the fumes with a fan, a breeze, or due to my years of diving experience I can hold my breath longer than the average bear.

Pat
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #89  
patrick_g said:
Yeah, breathing the fumes from lots of different welding processes is NOT GOOD. I still weld galvanized but try to avoid the fumes with a fan, a breeze, or due to my years of diving experience I can hold my breath longer than the average bear.

Pat

I am going to assume you are talking about freediving since we all know that you dont hold your breathe when you use scuba gear :)
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #90  
gemini5362 said:
I am going to assume you are talking about freediving since we all know that you dont hold your breathe when you use scuba gear :)

I was quite an accomplished free diver (snorkeler) before getting into SCUBA. It didn't take me long to learn to breathe underwater instead of holding my breath. Little things like a free ascent from 100 ft plus require you to not hold your breath. I do practice a form of breath control but it does not include long term breath holding. This extends your dive time over just breathing naturally which for beginners especially, wastes a lot of air.

Before my wife got her open ocean dive certificate a friend with a SCUBA rig on let her use his regulator while he was wearing the tank. He told her to just keep breathing and everything would be all right. Well, she saw something interesting and headed down to see it. He held his breath (didn't have a safety second) and went along. Eventually he had to force her to the surface so he could breathe. Later we all had a good laugh.

Pat
 

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