Insuring a tractor

/ Insuring a tractor #41  
Cap-n-Cray said:
I just called my Allstate insurance agent and my homeowners policy does not cover the tractor. He could not suggest any one to cover it. I guess I need to find coverage. Kubota sent me a form for KTAC insurance for $150.48 per year or $451.44 for the life of loan. Is there anything out there better?
Cary:cool:
Getting private tractor insurance in Taxachusetts is just about impossible except through the manufacturer/seller in conjunction with its financing program... but just make sure this isn't just a loan payback insurance policy that benefits only the seller and not the owner. See if it covers the whole tractor value... or just the decreasing amount of the loan. I'd love to know. :)

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #42  
This is an interesting topic indeed and one I can speak on personal experience. I was told on more than one occasion that my tractor was covered under my home owners policy. I was told this by my agent. Fact is this was simply not true. In the back of your policy you will find the details of what is not covered. That appearantyl is more important to read than what is covered as it states the bottom line. In my case I was remodeling my house and in the midst of it I was robbed. The adjuster dertimined that since the remodel was going on for over 30 days the policy was void. Appearanty if you take like say your stove out for more than 30 days your house is considered under construction and your homeowners policy is void. I took it the insurance commisioner here in Minnesota and he sided with company so I took a total loss on all of my tools, tractor, mowers, chainsaws - you name it...

Just thought I would share.

Oh ya, the agents response was this just isn't right......

Thanks for nothing.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #43  
bxbuster said:
This is an interesting topic indeed and one I can speak on personal experience. I was told on more than one occasion that my tractor was covered under my home owners policy. I was told this by my agent. Fact is this was simply not true. In the back of your policy you will find the details of what is not covered. That appearantyl is more important to read than what is covered as it states the bottom line. In my case I was remodeling my house and in the midst of it I was robbed. The adjuster dertimined that since the remodel was going on for over 30 days the policy was void. Appearanty if you take like say your stove out for more than 30 days your house is considered under construction and your homeowners policy is void. I took it the insurance commisioner here in Minnesota and he sided with company so I took a total loss on all of my tools, tractor, mowers, chainsaws - you name it... Just thought I would share. Oh ya, the agents response was this just isn't right...... Thanks for nothing.
The "fine print" truly can suck... and probably more of us here know that through personal experience than I care to think about. I've found that if what the agent says sounds too good to be true, it DEFINITELY is!!! :rolleyes:

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #44  
bxbuster said:
... I was told on more than one occasion that my tractor was covered under my home owners policy. I was told this by my agent. Fact is this was simply not true ... In my case I was remodeling my house and in the midst of it I was robbed. The adjuster dertimined that since the remodel was going on for over 30 days the policy was void...
Almost got sick just reading that... very sorry to hear it. :(
Was your insurance co. Allstate? (understand if you don't want to say...)
Do you think your tractor would have been covered, if not for the remodeling? Sounds like something any of us planning home renovations (myself included) should definitely look into.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #45  
Dougster said:
Getting private tractor insurance in Taxachusetts is just about impossible except through the manufacturer/seller in conjunction with its financing program... but just make sure this isn't just a loan payback insurance policy that benefits only the seller and not the owner. See if it covers the whole tractor value... or just the decreasing amount of the loan. I'd love to know. :)

Dougster

Thats a good point. I just got my Kubota Credit Insurance policy in the mail. I'm reading through it haven't finished. They are very direct about all the things they don't cover. I haven't finished yet, but will share what it says about diminishing payback in realtion to remaining prinicipal.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #46  
Cap-n-Cray said:
I just called my Allstate insurance agent and my homeowners policy does not cover the tractor. He could not suggest any one to cover it. I guess I need to find coverage. Kubota sent me a form for KTAC insurance for $150.48 per year or $451.44 for the life of loan. Is there anything out there better?

Cary:cool:

But what are we to do when loan is up and policy expires?
 
/ Insuring a tractor #47  
My state farm agent told me the tractor is covered under the homeowners, even on a different property as long as I am not using it for commercial work. I don't plan to take it to many places so I figure I'm OK there.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #48  
MOPAULY said:
My state farm agent told me the tractor is covered under the homeowners, even on a different property as long as I am not using it for commercial work. I don't plan to take it to many places so I figure I'm OK there.
State Farm here in Taxachusetts (my homeowner's insurance provider for over 30 years) said that I am not covered for the tractor (even for personal use only) and, further, that they would not write a separate policy or rider to insure the tractor. They simply do not offer tractor insurance coverage in this hideous, socialist state. :(

Kinda funny for an insurance company with the word "farm" in their name. :(

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #49  
Doug - I believe State Farm won't because you are using it in your business.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #50  
bxbuster said:
This is an interesting topic indeed and one I can speak on personal experience. I was told on more than one occasion that my tractor was covered under my home owners policy. I was told this by my agent. Fact is this was simply not true. In the back of your policy you will find the details of what is not covered. That appearantyl is more important to read than what is covered as it states the bottom line. In my case I was remodeling my house and in the midst of it I was robbed. The adjuster dertimined that since the remodel was going on for over 30 days the policy was void. Appearanty if you take like say your stove out for more than 30 days your house is considered under construction and your homeowners policy is void. I took it the insurance commisioner here in Minnesota and he sided with company so I took a total loss on all of my tools, tractor, mowers, chainsaws - you name it...

Just thought I would share.



Oh ya, the agents response was this just isn't right......

Thanks for nothing.

I've had an adjuster's license for 15 years and I've never seen Aan exclusion based on a home under remodel. I know I've seen it covered many times without issue. My only guess is that it was a policy written by a direct writer (State Farm/Allstate/Nationwide or similar), that contains that type of language. If the Insurance Department backed it, I can only assume the policy interpretation was correct. By the way, if you can prove the agent told you wrong, you have an excellent claim against the agent's Errors and Omissions policy.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #51  
8561 said:
Doug - I believe State Farm won't because you are using it in your business.
That certainly would be the case now... but that question was asked of them last year well before I bought the red beast, before I was laid-off... and before I ever thought seriously about using a tractor and backhoe to try to make a modest post-layoff living. :eek:

In fact, at that time, I was inquiring specifically about what the insurance situation would be in regard to buying a little used John Deere TLB that I had found about 30 miles west of here that would have been strictly for personal use only.

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #52  
Insurance coverage varies by state, even with the same company, and is set by the state's insurance department. So basic coverage should be the same across companies within a state though companies compete by offering enhancements to the basic policy.

In Maine, the State Farm agent said a tractor was covered under the home owner's policy while on the property and not being used commercially, and was willing to have KCC named loss payee. Haven't seen the fine print yet.

Is KCC's insurance charge an average based on the declining monthly loan value? Even $15/month over three years would make a nice dent in the cost of a rake or bb.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #53  
I called my agent again and he told me that they use to cover tractors, but stop a few years ago. I asked for a rider and he said that they did not write that kind of insurance and had no idea where to get one. I know get a new agent.:mad: I just started a new policy both home and vehicles. Is there a farm service insurance or someone other that KTAC? I never like dealing with insurance.:confused:

Cary:cool:
 
/ Insuring a tractor #54  
Cap-n-Cray said:
I called my agent again and he told me that they use to cover tractors, but stop a few years ago. I asked for a rider and he said that they did not write that kind of insurance and had no idea where to get one. I know get a new agent.:mad: I just started a new policy both home and vehicles. Is there a farm service insurance or someone other that KTAC? I never like dealing with insurance.:confused:
Cary:cool:
I say go with KTAC and be very thankful you've got that option! :)

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #55  
The part I'm not getting is relative to a personal use only tractor and the seeming lack of coverage some of you describe. Let's say you go to Sears and spend $2000 on a riding lawnmower. That is personal use and its use is to service the insured property. That would be covered (even in Taxachusetts). Where and how are they drawing the line to a machine that is too large to be covered that way? Is a sub like a Kubota BX covered? How about a B series? An L series? An M? I just don't see how or where they draw a line between coverage and no coverage.

For those of you who have been told there is no homeowners coverage, ask them if that would be true of a standard Sears Garden tractor. If the answer is yes there is coverage for the Sears, ask them to detail exactly where the line is crossed into no coverage, and what triggers it.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #56  
Wow, I feel pretty lucky. I went to my insurance agent and told him I wanted to insure my tractor. The only questions he asked me were how much coverage I wanted and if I wanted seperate policies for the tractor and loader. I got an inland marine policy with $20,000 coverage for $120 a year. Company is NC Farm Bureau.

Terry
 
/ Insuring a tractor #57  
emmy71 said:
Wow, I feel pretty lucky. I went to my insurance agent and told him I wanted to insure my tractor. The only questions he asked me were how much coverage I wanted and if I wanted seperate policies for the tractor and loader. I got an inland marine policy with $20,000 coverage for $120 a year. Company is NC Farm Bureau.
Terry
That's because you live in a sane, farm-friendly, tractor-friendly state (well, sane all except for that Nifong charactor).

Be very glad that you are there and not here! :rolleyes:

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #58  
8561 said:
The part I'm not getting is relative to a personal use only tractor and the seeming lack of coverage some of you describe. Let's say you go to Sears and spend $2000 on a riding lawnmower. That is personal use and its use is to service the insured property. That would be covered (even in Taxachusetts). Where and how are they drawing the line to a machine that is too large to be covered that way? Is a sub like a Kubota BX covered? How about a B series? An L series? An M? I just don't see how or where they draw a line between coverage and no coverage. For those of you who have been told there is no homeowners coverage, ask them if that would be true of a standard Sears Garden tractor. If the answer is yes there is coverage for the Sears, ask them to detail exactly where the line is crossed into no coverage, and what triggers it.
Your point is a good one... at least academically... but I wouldn't go too far trying to pull a fast one on your insurance company by claiming that your CUT, UT or TLB is merely a very expensive lawnmower on steroids. :) I kinda tried to use that same line of logic down here... both with the insurance company on that original JD TLB (before my Mahindra) and more recently with the town on another matter ("yes officer, it's just my big red rider lawnmower")... but the insurance companies are in business to make money and they are very good at denying coverage on items or situations they never intended to insure... regardless of what any daffy agent might tell you. :rolleyes:

Dougster
 
/ Insuring a tractor #59  
ejnichol said:
Thats a good point. I just got my Kubota Credit Insurance policy in the mail. I'm reading through it haven't finished. They are very direct about all the things they don't cover. I haven't finished yet, but will share what it says about diminishing payback in realtion to remaining prinicipal.

It reads that they have the right to repair it or pay you off with the then market value of what would then be a used tractor. It does cover it all over the country. You have to call and file a police report and report to Kubota Credit Insurance within so many days.
 
/ Insuring a tractor #60  
Wow, hate to reopen an ancient thread here, but there are three questions involved here, I think, and they are equivalent to a car. A car has three types of insurance, normally. Comprehensive (and glass) covers your car if a tree falls on it. Collision covers it if you drive into the tree. Liability covers you if you drive the car into someone or something and cause damage or injury.

I am willing to self-insure on the tractor damage itself, but would like liability insurance for when I take it over the country road here, which I do occasionally. I don't think my homeowners liability ("personal liability") covers that at all. I would be willing to pay for collision and/or comprehensive coverage if I had to to get the liability, but my car insurance company doesn't cover tractors and I don't think homeowners' does either. A marine type policy is not really appropriate for liability because marine has strange liability laws. From what I understand, if you are at fault in a boat accident, if negligence cannot be established then you are only liable for the value of your craft prior to the accident. In a vehicular situation, or even say, the case of cutting someone's grass (as my sister's, not business) and, say the mower throws a rock and injures someone, I wouldn't be covered. This is the kind of thing that makes my blood boil. As an aside, homeowners' policies are skyrocketing in premiums, but if you look at your policy, you might be shocked to see that some things aren't covered. Floods never are, but things like earthquake or ground movement used to be and have been mostly excluded. Mold and rot have been severely curtailed in most policies that I've seen, often with only like a $10K limit. The insurance racket has become insanely crooked over the years, and it worries me, a lot.
 

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