Is a dually needed?

   / Is a dually needed? #101  
Around town I get 11mpg now with an almost new Suburban. How much worse could a diesel dually be? Might be better.
AFTER it's "broke" in almost ANY diesel dually should beat that unless you carry a ton or two of bricks.
In my '02 - all hand calculated over multiple fill ups along the I81 corridor going from DC to NE Mississippi - I've gotten up to 18 with a light load driving 70 coming back from Mississippi, and down to 11 pulling my trailer with the truck payload at least 3K#'s and the trailer at about 8K# driving mostly 60 to 70mph with the A/C blasting.

I don't think I've done 2 tanks in a row "around town". I use either my Civic (47mpg gas) or my TDI (~45mpg diesel) for around town.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #102  
"And I don't think GM ever got large outputs out of their big blocks. I remember driving a small, likely the smallest, dumptruck with
a Chevy 454. Boy did that make nice noises."

I worked on plenty of C60, C65, C70 medium duty trucks in the 70's with the 366 big blocks and it seemed they did quite good for several hundred thousand miles.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #103  
winter fuel always cost me a couple miles per gallon. and yes the demand of home heating oil has driven up the price of diesel.

i have no idea what the new trucks get MPG wise. but on the forums they claim a 3ish MPG increase after deleting.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #104  
thanks Kevin. Local dealers never seem to be desperate...usually those left overs were bulk purchased white trade oriented trucks with not much in them. now that cab and chassis deal caught my eye, would be pretty cool to make a custom bed just the way I wanted it... but now that would be serious overkill for eight tons...would never feel anything back there, except for being a lot slower... But then I'd probably want a ten litre something...Navistar, Cummins, but get the torque up around 1500.:dance1: Assuming the rear would handle it.
Those two were white work trucks. They also had an add a couple days earlier for a 2014 F350 crew 4X4 diesel Platinum for $62,000 in dark blue
 
   / Is a dually needed? #105  
they don't have just 'enough' ..... they have more than enough.

more ground patch surface area. less ground pressure.

more traction, less rutting.

almost like magic i know. ;)

Dually floats instead of digging in and gripping. A tall narrow tire out performs dual or a wide tire in snow, ice or mud. Duals do work better on sand or loose soil.
 
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#106  
2014 F350 crew 4X4 diesel Platinum for $62,000 in dark blue

I wonder what that truck finally sold for? Sounds beautiful, I love dark blue. It used to be the dealers had about ten percent in there and we tried to get
seven to nine off, knowing they always had hidden ad money. Now, I'm not sure. Would likely use one of the online guestimators as to what
average sale price is doing, and figure out the percentage off, and of course, ask for more...
A used truck is actually easier to figure out...plus you know the dealer likely hammered the trade in to a low value. Now let me tell you all the reasons why your highly desirable, spotless trade truck really isn't worth very much... grrrrr.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #107  
Dually floats instead of digging in and gripping. A tall narrow tire out performs dual or a wide tire in snow, ice or mud. Duals do work better on sand or loose soil.

Around here guys with dually who have plows and are serious take the outers off to push snow. Still tracks bad compared to a SRW truck due to wheel spacing but gets through the snow much better.

Chris
 
   / Is a dually needed? #108  
2014 F350 crew 4X4 diesel Platinum for $62,000 in dark blue

I wonder what that truck finally sold for? Sounds beautiful, I love dark blue. It used to be the dealers had about ten percent in there and we tried to get
seven to nine off, knowing they always had hidden ad money. Now, I'm not sure. Would likely use one of the online guestimators as to what
average sale price is doing, and figure out the percentage off, and of course, ask for more...
A used truck is actually easier to figure out...plus you know the dealer likely hammered the trade in to a low value. Now let me tell you all the reasons why your highly desirable, spotless trade truck really isn't worth very much... grrrrr.

My 06 F350 is dark blue. Tough to keep clean like a black truck but when it is they look good.

Chris
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#109  
My 06 F350 is dark blue. Tough to keep clean like a black truck but when it is they look good.

Chris

you know Chris, I thought about that, advertising for a nice used truck online here. I figure if someone sold me a turd on wheels
that they would hear about it in excruciating detail for years...:D

actually I'm serious Sometime in August or September, hopefully after I get home from a four month rv trip safely, I'm going shopping.
Any of you guys who want to make a change and have a lightly used diesel dually this Fall, keep me in mind.
of course the paint scheme should match my new trailer...:confused2:
 
   / Is a dually needed? #110  
my 99 f350 beats that easilly. probably can do 15 with my foot not in it, unloaded.


AFTER it's "broke" in almost ANY diesel dually should beat that unless you carry a ton or two of bricks.
In my '02 - all hand calculated over multiple fill ups along the I81 corridor going from DC to NE Mississippi - I've gotten up to 18 with a light load driving 70 coming back from Mississippi, and down to 11 pulling my trailer with the truck payload at least 3K#'s and the trailer at about 8K# driving mostly 60 to 70mph with the A/C blasting.

I don't think I've done 2 tanks in a row "around town". I use either my Civic (47mpg gas) or my TDI (~45mpg diesel) for around town.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #111  
My point was that DRW almost always has a greater payload capacity than SRW.
For example 2014 Ford 250/350 SRW greatest payload capacity 4,930 lbs. DRW 7,260 lbs.

The pin weight on OP trailer is listed at 3200 dry. My guess is he will push 4K pin weight wet/loaded for the trip.


Could it be done on a modern SRW... by the numbers yes. would i do it? no Id opt for the DRW for all the reasons many others have said.
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#112  
The pin weight on OP trailer is listed at 3200 dry. My guess is he will push 4K pin weight wet/loaded for the trip.

really? I thought the pin weight was a loaded gvw weight, boy I have a lot to learn, never had a fifth wheel.


Could it be done on a modern SRW... by the numbers yes. would i do it? no Id opt for the DRW for all the reasons many others have said.


this is the same conclusion I came to. I can, but do I want to? Safety or convenience? I prefer to get my excitement from sightseeing, not having my trailer flip the truck over into a ditch...so I think that extra set of wheels makes sense.

I'd still like some feedback on tire selection. I'm oriented to go to a more agressive rear tread, more traction is usually always good, but what about the whine at 60mph?
 
   / Is a dually needed? #113  


this is the same conclusion I came to. I can, but do I want to? Safety or convenience? I prefer to get my excitement from sightseeing, not having my trailer flip the truck over into a ditch...so I think that extra set of wheels makes sense.

I'd still like some feedback on tire selection. I'm oriented to go to a more agressive rear tread, more traction is usually always good, but what about the whine at 60mph?[/I]

I run Uniroyal HD/H tires on my truck...
They are highway tread...
They also have a HD/T that has a more aggressive tread...
I got right @ 50K miles on the last ones I ran and I liked them a lot...
They are warranted for 50K miles...
Lots of other good options out there...
 
   / Is a dually needed? #114  
i think going AT tread in the rear t least is smart idea, my father and i run an AT type tire on the rear of all our duallys. to me the t don't whine at all. even mud terrains for the most part are fairly quiet
 
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#115  
Thanks Turbys. I bet you liked them partially because they weren't too noisy.
That's good... and good mileage too.
most of my trips are unloaded realistically. Although in total mileage to and from moving the trailer is all
highway miles and will rack up the most mileage overall. I'm retired, and will not hustle with this truck.

does anyone have the more aggressive tread pattern rear tires on their dually? Are you glad you do? Wish you hadn't?
Now I have Firestone Destination AT's on my suburban, a pretty open tread pattern, and they rumble a bit with a small amount of whine at low speeds.
But huge traction that totally diminishes any small noise issue. I just want to avoid a LARGE noise issue. I know better not to run monster mudders or whatever, but
basically, can I run an E rated relatively quiet on/off road tread back there?

terry, just read your post, thank you.

hmmm, glad I remembered the cabin trip, been doing this for 40 plus years, every year, to a friend's mountain cabin. One mile up the side of a mountain in the NY Catskills on a decent grass path/road that is often seriously crowned. Though I want to haul my Kubota up there and fix that crown...now there's a couple great days of playing in the dirt...
I wouldn't haul a trailer to the top, can park at bottom of one mile all natural driveway, luckily a nice parking spot there where I can unload UTV's, whatever, and the tractor. But unloaded, I want to get up that hill in everything but snow. It's wide enough, but some mud, small rocks, and one part a short but serious up hill climb right before the cabin, where it all levels out and has a turnaround. My best friend bought the place right out of college for very little, and has kept it until now we are both retired and can go up there and not worry about racing back on Sunday afternoon in the awful traffic.

So that's why I'm thinking I might need more grip than a highway pattern. I only use the minimum rpm needed but without at least some mini lugs in there, once those tires start to spin, might as well just stop and back up. And try again... But I would like to get to the top comfortably, and while the UTV isn't bad, we usually leave everything down below and go up and check on the cabin first. Make sure there isn't a bear in there,(his name is Bob, for real...) or it hasn't burned down...something that would mean we wish we hadn't unpacked yet. And you know how many straps one has to undo...

sorry for being longwinded, but this would be an only truck for me. so it has to do it all...
 
   / Is a dually needed? #116  
if i remember i will get a picture of the dump trucks tires
 
   / Is a dually needed? #117  
Who makes the best sounding diesel. We all know that answer, and it comes with a Cummins installed from the factory.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #118  
Thanks Turbys. I bet you liked them partially because they weren't too noisy. That's good... and good mileage too. most of my trips are unloaded realistically. Although in total mileage to and from moving the trailer is all highway miles and will rack up the most mileage overall. I'm retired, and will not hustle with this truck. does anyone have the more aggressive tread pattern rear tires on their dually? Are you glad you do? Wish you hadn't? Now I have Firestone Destination AT's on my suburban, a pretty open tread pattern, and they rumble a bit with a small amount of whine at low speeds. But huge traction that totally diminishes any small noise issue. I just want to avoid a LARGE noise issue. I know better not to run monster mudders or whatever, but basically, can I run an E rated relatively quiet on/off road tread back there? terry, just read your post, thank you. hmmm, glad I remembered the cabin trip, been doing this for 40 plus years, every year, to a friend's mountain cabin. One mile up the side of a mountain in the NY Catskills on a decent grass path/road that is often seriously crowned. Though I want to haul my Kubota up there and fix that crown...now there's a couple great days of playing in the dirt... I wouldn't haul a trailer to the top, can park at bottom of one mile all natural driveway, luckily a nice parking spot there where I can unload UTV's, whatever, and the tractor. But unloaded, I want to get up that hill in everything but snow. It's wide enough, but some mud, small rocks, and one part a short but serious up hill climb right before the cabin, where it all levels out and has a turnaround. My best friend bought the place right out of college for very little, and has kept it until now we are both retired and can go up there and not worry about racing back on Sunday afternoon in the awful traffic. So that's why I'm thinking I might need more grip than a highway pattern. I only use the minimum rpm needed but without at least some mini lugs in there, once those tires start to spin, might as well just stop and back up. And try again... But I would like to get to the top comfortably, and while the UTV isn't bad, we usually leave everything down below and go up and check on the cabin first. Make sure there isn't a bear in there,(his name is Bob, for real...) or it hasn't burned down...something that would mean we wish we hadn't unpacked yet. And you know how many straps one has to undo... sorry for being longwinded, but this would be an only truck for me. so it has to do it all...

I would install the same tires all around. Having 6 tires to rotate really helps them last longer. I have a friend who tows every day and he gets 70-80k out of his tires with regular rotations.
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#119  
Who makes the best sounding diesel. We all know that answer, and it comes with a Cummins installed from the factory.

good thing you are driving one, right? ;)
Most of the one ton truck diesels I have heard are pretty bad from outside the truck. Neither a pleasant intake or exhaust noise.
And yes, the Ram is definitely the loudest. Inside, only the owner knows, and frankly all I care about. Give me a triple sealed door and wads of sound insulation
and I'll be happy. As long as what I do hear sounds like a motor and not a giant vac like a transit bus.
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#120  
I would install the same tires all around. Having 6 tires to rotate really helps them last longer. I have a friend who tows every day and he gets 70-80k out of his tires with regular rotations.

good advice. Otherwise those fronts would just scrub off pretty quick. I think an AT tire from Michelin, Goodyear or Firestone is likely where I will go. Firestone has Bridgestone behind them, and I think Firestone has really benefited by that. Michelin is usually good, and quiet/comfortable. Goodyear has also improved, they are actually placing tires at or near the top of TireRack's categories again.
 

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