Is a dually needed?

   / Is a dually needed? #61  
Never any need to hog parking spaces, that behavior says something about the owners who do it, NOTHING about the vehicles that they own.
Pick almost any brand of "car" and you can find one parked deliberately diagonally so nobody will park beside them.
I gave up on parking WAY over THERE, I swear "door swingers" go WAY over there LOOKING for me (-:

Anyway, a couple more points.
If you are looking at 15,000 GVW behind you a 9,900 SRW will keep you under 26,000 - a 12,000 DRW won't.
That may or may not matter to you according to your license class.
DRW takes about a ton more payload - i.e. "pin weight".
They are only WIDE if you get the (ridiculous looking) bulbous flared fenders.
If you want narrow get a Chev/GM (narrowest track of the big 3) chassis/cab and put a flat-bed on it.
That is the best/easiest way to handle/avoid the issues with top rail height and trailer interference.
You also get a clear full width platform, not 4 ft or so between wheel wells - it is closer to standard loading dock height too.
Allison trans is another good reason, but that wasn't what you asked about.

IGNORE anything you may have read or heard that "Campers" are exempt from the 26K CDL requirement.
Having a toilet on board won't get you out of that, though in some states that, a bed and sink might help your vehicle taxation a bit.

Campers and Recreational Vehicles are exempt. Not sure about your state but around here and everywhere I have been they are. Just the the 10k doesn't hold true everywhere.

Chris
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#62  
IGNORE anything you may have read or heard that "Campers" are exempt from the 26K CDL requirement.

my motorhome is 22K gvw; do I need a special driving permit??? I didn't think I did but if I need correcting,
please do.

And if I am pulling a farm tractor behind a truck do I add the truck gvw and the trailer gvw for some total number?
Would appreciate an education here. Thanks
 
   / Is a dually needed? #63  
definitely old too, if it's nice...they bumped up/boosted the hp a few years back, not sure how far back I can go without
giving up a lot of the latest grunt. Probably no more than five years back.

if only 5 back.. then I'd bee looking at a dodge / cummons.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #64  
IGNORE anything you may have read or heard that "Campers" are exempt from the 26K CDL requirement.

my motorhome is 22K gvw; do I need a special driving permit??? I didn't think I did but if I need correcting,
please do.

And if I am pulling a farm tractor behind a truck do I add the truck gvw and the trailer gvw for some total number?
Would appreciate an education here. Thanks

Daugen - for a real answer, check with your State DMV. I suspect "So-and-So on TBN told me that officer" won't fly any better with LEOs down your way, than it does up here :laughing:.

That said, our class G(eneral) license here is (similar to many USA states):

Max combined weight 11,000kg, with 4600kg Max towed. Call it 24,000# total, with 10,000# Max Towed.

Up here, it is additive, so if you are a G driver towing 10,000#, your tow vehicle couldn't gross more than 14,000#.

I would hope that any responsible RV dealer would have advised you if you needed something other than a basic DL (well, at least after you signed the contract :D) , but check with your DMV to be sure. Up here, the weight restrictions are printed on the back of an Ontario DL.

Again, here, where the problem sets in is when you get into many diesel pusher RVs. A buddy just picked up a used one, which is over 11,000kg, so he needs to upgrade from our G to a D (what commercial guys need here to drive most dump trucks). Then there's air brakes, which is a separate endorsement on your license here (Z). So to be legal on his new pusher, he'll need a DZ license.

'Nuff rambling on my part...... if you don't have air brakes on the MH, just check with your DMV what weight your class of license limits you to.

I have enough challenges makes sense of our MTO regs, so I'm not going to pretend to understand yours :D ...... but, at a glance, the implied limit on your Class C may be 26,000#.

PennDOT Driver and Vehicle Services - Classes of Licenses

Rgds, D.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #65  
large trailers in any form, Bumper, Goose neck, 5th wheel are much safer with large truck. 2 wheel drives have problems all the time due to wet grass or mud.
3500 diesel 4 wheel drives seem to me to give the best bang for my buck. I would never consider smaller. Bigger truck has a much better safety factor. Thing about 10 to 12 hour pull coming back from Florida, tired and may not react as fast as you did in your 30s - 40s- 50s- or 60s.
I have pulled a lot of stuff with my 2001 diesel 4+4 3500 including a large 40 foot Toy Hauler with golf cart in back bumping 16,500 limits of truck. This last year bought 2013 Chevy 3500 4+4 diesel, power was down compared to 2001 but brakes and ability to handle weight was worth the trade off.
Comparing 2001 with custom 250 HP tune to stock 2013
 
   / Is a dually needed? #66  
I camp with a ton of different people pulling many different rigs. The guys in the granite equipped massive luxury class A's don't have and don't need CDL's...Even the 5th wheels. My dad got caught up in a State Police roadside check once pulling a 32' TT with a 1/2 ton shortbed reg cab Chevy 4x4 (most likely way over limit) and they never said a word. All safety stuff was up to snuff. All they cared about.

Your results may vary.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #67  
And if I am pulling a farm tractor behind a truck do I add the truck gvw and the trailer gvw for some total number?
Would appreciate an education here. Thanks

YES - If it's being used in commerce.

As I understand it you've got two things to be concerned with - The total number of pounds moving down the road and in some states the total pounds of the rating. And 26K is the magic number. GENERALLY as I've read here, the law for total pound of rating differs between states. Also some states crack down on all trailers rated above 10K.

In Virginia getting the information is harder than heck. And I've read a lot of cases where LEO's interpret it differently in the same state. But it seems that generally if you LOOK CLEAN and well organized (chains etc) they rarely stop you. On the other hand if you look like me or Willie Nelson and your rolling down the road with the cab obscured by sweet white smoke you might be in trouble. :)

Check out some of the LONG CDL threads here.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #68  
Probably just registered Republicans would be targeted.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #69  
   / Is a dually needed? #71  
Duallys don't sink into the grass and leave ruts. Because they don't have enough traction to make it into wet ground from damp ground.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #72  
Duallys don't sink into the grass and leave ruts. Because they don't have enough traction to make it into wet ground from damp ground.
Yes they do. I've ruts in front of one house in Mississippi because I tried to drive my dually across a wet flat lawn with nothing in the back. Had to put it in 4WD to get out.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #73  
they don't have just 'enough' ..... they have more than enough.

more ground patch surface area. less ground pressure.

more traction, less rutting.

almost like magic i know. ;)
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#74  
2014 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com

I haven't looked at Dodge but both GM and Ford cannot pull eight tons with a gas dually except one regular cab model, and that barely makes it.
Pretty clear, for eight tons, I need a diesel dually to be safe. $65K for a new truck. yikes...
and the interior of the Chevy hasn't even changed for this year, maybe next. Good reason to buy a two or three year old one if findable.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #75  
2014 Ford Super Duty | View Towing Specifications | Ford.com

I haven't looked at Dodge but both GM and Ford cannot pull eight tons with a gas dually except one regular cab model, and that barely makes it.
Pretty clear, for eight tons, I need a diesel dually to be safe. $65K for a new truck. yikes...
and the interior of the Chevy hasn't even changed for this year, maybe next. Good reason to buy a two or three year old one if findable.

That's why I'm keeping my 2003 F350 dually 7.3 until it dies...
Those trucks are so expensive but mine is still in great shape and should be good for 200K more miles...
By that time I should be ready to push up daises...
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#76  
Turbys, is a ten year old diesel dually close to today's real world towing capability? Specs today are much better ,but specs sure aren't everything...
another reason for me to find a cherry used one. Drew
 
   / Is a dually needed? #77  
Drew...
My truck spec's out @ 250 HP and 535 LB FT of torque stock...
I am running an 80 HP program after I put in gauges, high flow intake, and high flow exhaust...
330 HP and 650 LB FT of torque...
The truck in stock form was plenty but now she is more than enough...
I don't take much credence in those old specs...
My truck is only rated @ 20K total and 12.5K towing with a 11.5K truck rating...
The rear axle rating is stated @ 8.5K but that is very conservative based on the spring packs...
Dana 80 in the rear and Dana 60 in the front gives me 11K in the rear and 5.2K in the front for a total axle rating of 16.2K...
I think that those older trucks were underrated on purpose...
I know several hot shots pulling 26K total all the time...
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#78  
more ground patch surface area. less ground pressure.

I've always wondered if running more aggressive tires on the rear wheels in a dually situation would be worth
the noise. Most I see are summer tires. With almost two tons in the bed in a fifth wheel situation with this particular one,
with grippy tires, I'd think it would pull pretty well, particularly with posi or even locked up.
But what about that noise...is it bad for you guys who have done this?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+DuraTrac
for example
but this could likely do quite well too and I bet a lot quieter:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=LTX+A/T+2
 
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   / Is a dually needed? #79  
Just saw an add from an Edmonton ford dealer. New 2013 F350 crew 4X4 dually has for $39,000. They also had about 4 brand new 2012 F550 crew 4X4 diesel cab and chassis for $48,000

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   / Is a dually needed?
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#80  
thanks Kevin. Local dealers never seem to be desperate...usually those left overs were bulk purchased white trade oriented trucks with not much in them.
now that cab and chassis deal caught my eye, would be pretty cool to make a custom bed just the way I wanted it...
but now that would be serious overkill for eight tons...would never feel anything back there, except for being a lot slower...
But then I'd probably want a ten litre something...Navistar, Cummins, but get the torque up around 1500.:dance1: Assuming the rear would handle it.
 

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