rockyridgefarm
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Is it just me, or does this go too far?
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rockyridgefarm
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300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders C25-350-19 Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
SPECIFICATIONS
300 Loader
Tractor Model
790
Front tires 7.00-14, 6 PR R1
Rear tires11.2-14, 6 PR R1
Reach:
At max. lift height (D) 845 mm (33-in.)
With bucket on ground (F) 1365 mm (53.7-in.)
Angles:
Max. dump angle (E) 40.5 degrees
Max. dump angle at ground 117 degrees
Max. rollback angle (G) 21 degrees
Rollback angle at full height (SAE) 101 degrees
Bucket:
Width 1550 mm (61-in.)
Length (N) 633 mm (25-in.)
Mass 93.8 kg (206.8 lb.)
Hydraulic System:
Rated flow 22 L/min. (5.8 gpm)
Maximum pressure 14.1 MPA (2045 psi)
Overall Height:
In carrying position (J) mm (-in.)
Lift Capacity:
To max. height at pivot pin (U) 336 kg (740 lb.)
To max. height (V) 248 kg (547 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) at pivot pin (W) 436 kg (961 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) (X) 336 kg (740 lb.)
With forklift to max. height kg (lb.)
Cycle Times (in seconds):
Loader raising time 3.2
Loader lowering time 1.63
Bucket dumping time w/regen 2.71/1.32
Bucket rollback time 1.38
Maximum Lift Height:
To pivot pin (A) 2864 mm (112.8-in.)
Breakout Force:
At pivot pin (Y) 7690 N (1728 lb./ft.)
Clearance:
500 mm forward of pivot point (Z) 5470N (1229 lb./ft.)
With level bucket (B) 2090 mm (82-in.)
Bucket Rollback Force:
With bucket dumped (C) 1727 mm (68-in.)
At max. height (VV) 5160 N (1160 lb./ft.)
Overall Length (WB + F): 2915 mm (114.8-in.)
At 1.5 m (59-in.) lift height (XX) 6450 N (1450 lb./ft.)
Dipping Depth (H):
89 mm (3.5-in.) At ground level line (ZZ)4960 N (1115 lb./ft.)
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C25-350-20
300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders
Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
300X Loader
Tractor Model
4310 Tractors
Front tires25x8.50-14, 6 PR R4
Rear tires 15.00-19, 6 PR R4
Wheelbase (WB) 1727 mm (68-in.)
Reach:
At max. lift height (D) 773 mm (30.4-in.)
With bucket on ground (F) 1381 mm (54.4-in.)
Angles:
Max. dump angle (E) 40 degrees
Max. dump angle at ground 121 degrees
Max. rollback angle (G) 21 degrees
Rollback angle at full height (SAE) 103 degrees
Bucket:
Width 1550 mm (61-in.)
Length (N) 633 mm (25-in.)
Mass 93.8 kg (206.8 lb.)
Hydraulic System:
Rated flow 32.5 L/min. (8.6 gpm)
Maximum pressure 17.238 MPA (2500 psi)
Overall Height:
In carrying position (J) mm (-in.)
Lift Capacity:
To max. height at pivot pin (U) 617 kg (1360 lb.)
To max. height (V) 453 kg (999 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) at pivot pin (W) 771 kg (1700 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) (X) 595 kg (1312 lb.)
With forklift to max. height kg (lb.)
Cycle Times (in seconds):
Loader raising time 2.76
Loader lowering time 1.69
Bucket dumping time/regen 2.91/1.19
Bucket rollback time 1.72
Maximum Lift Height:
To pivot pin (A) 2284 mm (90-in.)
Breakout Force:
At pivot pin (Y) 12,700 N (2855 lb./ft.)
Clearance:500 mm forward of pivot point (Z) 9,040 N (2032 lb./ft.)
With level bucket (B) 2123 mm (83.5-in.)
Bucket Rollback Force: With bucket dumped (C) 1743 mm (68.6-in.)
At max. height (VV) 11,820 N (2657 lb./ft.)
Overall Length (WB + F): 3108 mm (122.4-in.)
At 1.5 m (59-in.) lift height (XX) 14890 N (3347 lb./ft.)
Dipping Depth (H): 76 mm (2.9-in.)
At ground level line (ZZ) 11,650 N (2619 lb./ft.)
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300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders
C25-350-21
Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
300CX Loader
Tractor Model
4310 Tractors
Front tires 25x8.50-14, 6 PR R4
Rear tires 15.00-19, 6 PR R4
Wheelbase (WB) 1727 mm (68-in.)
Reach: At max. lift height (D) 562 mm (22-in.)
With bucket on ground (F) 1489 mm (58.6-in.)
Angles:
Max. dump angle (E) 41.1 degrees
Max. dump angle at ground 128 degrees
Max. rollback angle (G) 31 degrees
Rollback angle at full height (SAE) 119 degrees
Bucket:
Width 1550 mm (61-in.)
Length (N) 633 mm (25-in.)
Mass 93.8 kg (206.8 lb.)
Hydraulic System:
Rated flow 32.5 L/min. (8.6 gpm)
Maximum pressure 17.238 MPA (2500 psi)
Overall Height:
In carrying position (J) mm (-in.)
Lift Capacity:
To max. height at pivot pin (U) 725 kg (1598 lb.)
To max. height (V) 509 kg (1122 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) at pivot pin (W) 964 kg (2125 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) (X) 748 kg (1649 lb.)
With forklift to max. height kg (lb.)
Cycle Times (in seconds):
Loader raising time 3.56
Loader lowering time 2.1
Bucket dumping time/regen 2.96/1.21
Bucket rollback time 1.75
Maximum Lift Height:
To pivot pin (A) 2593 mm (102-in.)
Breakout Force:
At pivot pin (Y) 14,800 N (3327 lb./ft.)
Clearance: 500 mm forward of pivot point (Z) 10,750 N (2416 lb./ft.)
With level bucket (B) 2388 mm (94-in.)
Bucket Rollback Force: With bucket dumped (C) 2024 mm (79.6-in.)
At max. height (VV) 7,950 N (1787 lb./ft.)
Overall Length (WB + F): 3216 mm (126.6in.)
At 1.5 m (59-in.) lift height (XX) 13,230 N (2974 lb./ft.)
Dipping Depth (H): 143 mm (5.6-in.)
At ground level line (ZZ) 13,730 N (3087 lb./ft.)
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C25-350-22
300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders
Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
BUCKET SPECIFICATIONS
Bucket Type
Width
Struck Capacity
Weight
Materials Bucket
1350 mm (53-in.) 0.17 cu. m (6.0 cu. ft.) 69.5 kg (153 lb.)
Materials Bucket
1550 mm (61-in.)
0.25 cu. m (9.0 cu. ft.) 86.1 kg (190 lb.)
Materials Bucket
1850 mm (73-in.)
0.30 cu. m (10.7 cu. ft.) 101.2 kg (223 lb.)
Heavy-Duty Bucket
1550 mm (61-in.) 0.25 cu. m (9.0 cu. ft.)111.5 kg (246 lb.)
Heavy-Duty Bucket
1850 mm (73-in.)
0.30 cu. m (10.7 cu. ft.) 128.4 k. (283 lb.)
High-Volume Bucket
1850 mm (73-in.)
0.43 cu. m (15.0 cu. ft.) 158 kg (348 lb.)
High-Volume Bucket
2150 mm (85-in.)
0.5 cu. m (17.4 cu. ft.) 179 kg (394 lb.)
4-in-1 Bucket
1524 mm (60-in.)
0.24 cu. m (8.9 cu. ft.) 256 kg (563 lb.)
4-in-1 Bucket
1830 mm (72-in.)
0.30 cu. m (10.7 cu. ft.) 290 kg (638 lb.)
Grapple Bucket
1830 mm (72-in.)
0.22 cu. m (7.8 cu. ft.) 258 kg (568 lb.)
SPECIFICATIONS
300 Loader
Tractor Model
790
Front tires 7.00-14, 6 PR R1
Rear tires11.2-14, 6 PR R1
Reach:
At max. lift height (D) 845 mm (33-in.)
With bucket on ground (F) 1365 mm (53.7-in.)
Angles:
Max. dump angle (E) 40.5 degrees
Max. dump angle at ground 117 degrees
Max. rollback angle (G) 21 degrees
Rollback angle at full height (SAE) 101 degrees
Bucket:
Width 1550 mm (61-in.)
Length (N) 633 mm (25-in.)
Mass 93.8 kg (206.8 lb.)
Hydraulic System:
Rated flow 22 L/min. (5.8 gpm)
Maximum pressure 14.1 MPA (2045 psi)
Overall Height:
In carrying position (J) mm (-in.)
Lift Capacity:
To max. height at pivot pin (U) 336 kg (740 lb.)
To max. height (V) 248 kg (547 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) at pivot pin (W) 436 kg (961 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) (X) 336 kg (740 lb.)
With forklift to max. height kg (lb.)
Cycle Times (in seconds):
Loader raising time 3.2
Loader lowering time 1.63
Bucket dumping time w/regen 2.71/1.32
Bucket rollback time 1.38
Maximum Lift Height:
To pivot pin (A) 2864 mm (112.8-in.)
Breakout Force:
At pivot pin (Y) 7690 N (1728 lb./ft.)
Clearance:
500 mm forward of pivot point (Z) 5470N (1229 lb./ft.)
With level bucket (B) 2090 mm (82-in.)
Bucket Rollback Force:
With bucket dumped (C) 1727 mm (68-in.)
At max. height (VV) 5160 N (1160 lb./ft.)
Overall Length (WB + F): 2915 mm (114.8-in.)
At 1.5 m (59-in.) lift height (XX) 6450 N (1450 lb./ft.)
Dipping Depth (H):
89 mm (3.5-in.) At ground level line (ZZ)4960 N (1115 lb./ft.)
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C25-350-20
300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders
Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
300X Loader
Tractor Model
4310 Tractors
Front tires25x8.50-14, 6 PR R4
Rear tires 15.00-19, 6 PR R4
Wheelbase (WB) 1727 mm (68-in.)
Reach:
At max. lift height (D) 773 mm (30.4-in.)
With bucket on ground (F) 1381 mm (54.4-in.)
Angles:
Max. dump angle (E) 40 degrees
Max. dump angle at ground 121 degrees
Max. rollback angle (G) 21 degrees
Rollback angle at full height (SAE) 103 degrees
Bucket:
Width 1550 mm (61-in.)
Length (N) 633 mm (25-in.)
Mass 93.8 kg (206.8 lb.)
Hydraulic System:
Rated flow 32.5 L/min. (8.6 gpm)
Maximum pressure 17.238 MPA (2500 psi)
Overall Height:
In carrying position (J) mm (-in.)
Lift Capacity:
To max. height at pivot pin (U) 617 kg (1360 lb.)
To max. height (V) 453 kg (999 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) at pivot pin (W) 771 kg (1700 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) (X) 595 kg (1312 lb.)
With forklift to max. height kg (lb.)
Cycle Times (in seconds):
Loader raising time 2.76
Loader lowering time 1.69
Bucket dumping time/regen 2.91/1.19
Bucket rollback time 1.72
Maximum Lift Height:
To pivot pin (A) 2284 mm (90-in.)
Breakout Force:
At pivot pin (Y) 12,700 N (2855 lb./ft.)
Clearance:500 mm forward of pivot point (Z) 9,040 N (2032 lb./ft.)
With level bucket (B) 2123 mm (83.5-in.)
Bucket Rollback Force: With bucket dumped (C) 1743 mm (68.6-in.)
At max. height (VV) 11,820 N (2657 lb./ft.)
Overall Length (WB + F): 3108 mm (122.4-in.)
At 1.5 m (59-in.) lift height (XX) 14890 N (3347 lb./ft.)
Dipping Depth (H): 76 mm (2.9-in.)
At ground level line (ZZ) 11,650 N (2619 lb./ft.)
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300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders
C25-350-21
Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
300CX Loader
Tractor Model
4310 Tractors
Front tires 25x8.50-14, 6 PR R4
Rear tires 15.00-19, 6 PR R4
Wheelbase (WB) 1727 mm (68-in.)
Reach: At max. lift height (D) 562 mm (22-in.)
With bucket on ground (F) 1489 mm (58.6-in.)
Angles:
Max. dump angle (E) 41.1 degrees
Max. dump angle at ground 128 degrees
Max. rollback angle (G) 31 degrees
Rollback angle at full height (SAE) 119 degrees
Bucket:
Width 1550 mm (61-in.)
Length (N) 633 mm (25-in.)
Mass 93.8 kg (206.8 lb.)
Hydraulic System:
Rated flow 32.5 L/min. (8.6 gpm)
Maximum pressure 17.238 MPA (2500 psi)
Overall Height:
In carrying position (J) mm (-in.)
Lift Capacity:
To max. height at pivot pin (U) 725 kg (1598 lb.)
To max. height (V) 509 kg (1122 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) at pivot pin (W) 964 kg (2125 lb.)
To 1.5 m (59-in.) (X) 748 kg (1649 lb.)
With forklift to max. height kg (lb.)
Cycle Times (in seconds):
Loader raising time 3.56
Loader lowering time 2.1
Bucket dumping time/regen 2.96/1.21
Bucket rollback time 1.75
Maximum Lift Height:
To pivot pin (A) 2593 mm (102-in.)
Breakout Force:
At pivot pin (Y) 14,800 N (3327 lb./ft.)
Clearance: 500 mm forward of pivot point (Z) 10,750 N (2416 lb./ft.)
With level bucket (B) 2388 mm (94-in.)
Bucket Rollback Force: With bucket dumped (C) 2024 mm (79.6-in.)
At max. height (VV) 7,950 N (1787 lb./ft.)
Overall Length (WB + F): 3216 mm (126.6in.)
At 1.5 m (59-in.) lift height (XX) 13,230 N (2974 lb./ft.)
Dipping Depth (H): 143 mm (5.6-in.)
At ground level line (ZZ) 13,730 N (3087 lb./ft.)
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C25-350-22
300, 300X, and 300CX Loaders
Oct. 04 Litho in U.S.A.
BUCKET SPECIFICATIONS
Bucket Type
Width
Struck Capacity
Weight
Materials Bucket
1350 mm (53-in.) 0.17 cu. m (6.0 cu. ft.) 69.5 kg (153 lb.)
Materials Bucket
1550 mm (61-in.)
0.25 cu. m (9.0 cu. ft.) 86.1 kg (190 lb.)
Materials Bucket
1850 mm (73-in.)
0.30 cu. m (10.7 cu. ft.) 101.2 kg (223 lb.)
Heavy-Duty Bucket
1550 mm (61-in.) 0.25 cu. m (9.0 cu. ft.)111.5 kg (246 lb.)
Heavy-Duty Bucket
1850 mm (73-in.)
0.30 cu. m (10.7 cu. ft.) 128.4 k. (283 lb.)
High-Volume Bucket
1850 mm (73-in.)
0.43 cu. m (15.0 cu. ft.) 158 kg (348 lb.)
High-Volume Bucket
2150 mm (85-in.)
0.5 cu. m (17.4 cu. ft.) 179 kg (394 lb.)
4-in-1 Bucket
1524 mm (60-in.)
0.24 cu. m (8.9 cu. ft.) 256 kg (563 lb.)
4-in-1 Bucket
1830 mm (72-in.)
0.30 cu. m (10.7 cu. ft.) 290 kg (638 lb.)
Grapple Bucket
1830 mm (72-in.)
0.22 cu. m (7.8 cu. ft.) 258 kg (568 lb.)
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rockyridgefarm
Elite Member
rockyridgefarm
Elite Member
Yeah it's 40" Bucket. Which I can imagine going to 8.5' depth with a one on a 3120 is real fun!
ducati996
Banned
Thanks for the 200cx loader specs Rockyridge - I notice they dont have the new 2320 listed in there.....can anybody provide the adendum that has the 2320 with the 200cx ?
That would be helpful
That would be helpful
BillyP
Veteran Member
You might as well start saying the same thing then cause Kubota and NH are guilty tooMessickFarmEqu said:
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KUBOTA M5700DT DIESEL 12 SPEED
REMARKS: All test results were determined from
observed data obtained in accordance with official
OECD test procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claims of 26% torque rise nor 3310 lbs
(1500 kg) 3 point lift capacity. The performance
results on this summary were taken from OECD tests
conducted under the Code I Test procedure.
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KUBOTA M120DT DIESEL 16 SPEED
REMARKS: All test results were determined from
observed data obtained in accordance with official
OECD test procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claims of: 45% PTO torque rise, 72
dB(A) cab sound level, 20. 6 GPM(78 l/min) hydraulic
flow, nor 3 point lift capacities of 5200 lbs (2360 kg),
6570 lbs (2980 kg) with one external cylinder nor
7940 lbs (3600 kg) with two external cylinders. The
performance results on this summary were taken from
OECD tests conducted under the Code I Test procedure.
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KUBOTA M6800DT DIESEL 8 SPEED
REMARKS: All test results were determined from
observed data obtained in accordance with official
OECD test procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claim of 3310 lbs (1500 kg) 3 point lift
capacity. The performance results on this summary
were taken from OECD tests conducted under the
Code I Test procedure.
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KUBOTA M9000DT DIESEL 8 SPEED
REMARKS: All test results were determined from
observed data obtained in accordance with official
OECD test procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claim of 4630 lbs (2100 kg) 3 point lift
capacity. The performance results on this summary
were taken from OECD tests conducted under the
Code I Test procedure.
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NEW HOLLAND TC 48DA DIESEL 12 SPEED
REMARKS: All test results were determined
from observed data obtained in accordance
with official OECD, SAE and Nebraska test
procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claims of 3465 lb (1571 kg) 3
point hitch lift at 24" nor 12.0 GPM (45.5 lpm)
hydraulic flow. For the maximum power tests,
the fuel temperature at the injection pump
inlet was maintained at 104oF (40oC).
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NEW HOLLAND TC 55DA DIESEL 12 SPEED
REMARKS: All test results were determined
from observed data obtained in accordance
with official OECD, SAE and Nebraska test
procedures. This tractor did not meet the
manufacturer's claims of 3465 lb (1571 kg) 3
point hitch lift at 24" nor 11.6 GPM (43.9 lpm)
hydraulic flow. For the maximum power tests,
the fuel temperature at the injection pump inlet
was maintained at 104oF (40oC).
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The John Deere 4320, 4520 and 4720 has similar test results as the above.
Nebraska Tractor Test Lab
Bob_Skurka
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Billy I have to respectfully disagree with you here.
The NEBRASKA tests are an EQUALIZER that call the manufacturers to task and help to keep them basically honest. The ONLY tractors tested in the Nebraska tests are large agricultural tractors, not CUTS. Further the Nebraska tests are voluntary and many manufacturers choose not to participate, so if NH and Kubota have a few machines that did not test well on a few points, realize that they voluntarily submitted their tractors to the tests but you can also ask about the companies that refuse to submit their tractors . . . what are they hiding? And while the Nebraska tests can show were a manufacturer mistated some data, the Nebraska tests are not the words of marketing people who are intentionally trying to mislead people. In fact as Dave wrote, I think many of us would love to see a standardized test like the Nebraska tests for CUTS.
The point of Neil Messick's posts, if I may be so bold as to speak before him, was to point out the the MARKETING people at Deere are apparently using misleading information ON PURPOSE to make their tractors look stronger and more capable. It appears that Deere may have sunk to a new low if this is true.
The NEBRASKA tests are an EQUALIZER that call the manufacturers to task and help to keep them basically honest. The ONLY tractors tested in the Nebraska tests are large agricultural tractors, not CUTS. Further the Nebraska tests are voluntary and many manufacturers choose not to participate, so if NH and Kubota have a few machines that did not test well on a few points, realize that they voluntarily submitted their tractors to the tests but you can also ask about the companies that refuse to submit their tractors . . . what are they hiding? And while the Nebraska tests can show were a manufacturer mistated some data, the Nebraska tests are not the words of marketing people who are intentionally trying to mislead people. In fact as Dave wrote, I think many of us would love to see a standardized test like the Nebraska tests for CUTS.
The point of Neil Messick's posts, if I may be so bold as to speak before him, was to point out the the MARKETING people at Deere are apparently using misleading information ON PURPOSE to make their tractors look stronger and more capable. It appears that Deere may have sunk to a new low if this is true.
BillyP
Veteran Member
Well Bob, I'll have to disagree with you also. If brand X states that their tractor will do so and so (in the brochure) and it doesn't, I call it misleading. Whether it's a CUT or an Ag tractor doesn't make any difference. If they would mislead you on an Ag tractor, why wouldn't they on a CUT?Bob_Skurka said:
You can pick and choose what "you" want to believe but I call it like I see it.
In closing and this is my last words on this post. It doesn't matter whose name is painted on the side. Don't believe everything you read, especially sales literature.
Bob_Skurka
Super Member
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On all those points you and I agree. The part I disagreed with was the implication or inference that somehow the Nebraska tests were somehow culpable or related to marketing. In fact what often happens is that if a tractor does not test well in the Nebraska tests the manufacturer alters the brochure or tweaks the engine/hydraulics for the next model year.BillyP said:
But to all your other points, they are clearly reasonable and I do agree with them. It is probably my fault that I was not very clear in my earlier post where I disagreed with you. I should have been more clear in my writing.
johndeere_2320
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For one, I have been extremely dissapointed in the information by Deere in recent times. For instance, a number of us were discussing when the first oil change should be in the 2000 series and depending on which model you look at the manual states 50 hours or 200 hours. Also, my 2320 manual does not show anything on how to change the tranny filter like it did on the 2210, so a person not knowing what that "bright orange" filter is doing on the left foot rest might not ever change it, but it states as a service component, but again, no direction on how to do this chore.
Also, I have seen the wide claims on the loaders, specifically the 200 series and in the first brochure I saw the lift was around 800 lbs and it made no refence to which machine it was referring, so I did some investigation into this and got these numbers and what is call max lift at pivot pin U which is the one connecting to the bottom of the bucket.
FYI....To get this information you would need access to Deere Intranet, but there is obviously a problem, see below.
2210 with 200CX loader 561 lbs
2305 with 200CX loader 712 lbs
4110 with 200 CX loader 798 lbs
2520 with 200CX loader 902 lbs
790 with 300 loader 740 lbs
Also, I have seen the wide claims on the loaders, specifically the 200 series and in the first brochure I saw the lift was around 800 lbs and it made no refence to which machine it was referring, so I did some investigation into this and got these numbers and what is call max lift at pivot pin U which is the one connecting to the bottom of the bucket.
FYI....To get this information you would need access to Deere Intranet, but there is obviously a problem, see below.
2210 with 200CX loader 561 lbs
2305 with 200CX loader 712 lbs
4110 with 200 CX loader 798 lbs
2520 with 200CX loader 902 lbs
790 with 300 loader 740 lbs